Would Roberto Duran Go Through Floyd Mayweather Jr's Resume Undefeated?

18 years in, Duran was just a crafty fat guy.

 

i doubt floyd fight a prime SRL or a middleweight great like hagler.
Floyd isnt really brave...he is a coward when it comes to facing real competition.

 

Unfortunately Mosley shat himself after tasting Pac's power. It doesn't bear thinking about how he'd react when Manos de Piedra started lashing into him.

 

I don't understand how the fact Manny lost and drew to EM and JMM in the first fights makes them any less difficult opponents. If anything, it shows just how difficult those fights were.

JMM (at 30) was certainly at his best in the first fight, I don't think JMM has ever looked better than he did in that fight after he recovered from the 1st round. And Morales (at 28) was slightly past his best in the first fight but still an unbelievable fighter and put up arguably the best performance of his career.

 

how likely is that? by definition your hardest fights are against better opponents.

 

Ya, this is one point I'm really struggling to grasp. If Floyd had not gotten the nod against JLC in the first fight would that somehow make JLC a less difficult fight?

 

I didn't say they were less difficult opponents because of that. A fight which is difficult for fighter A, may not be difficult for fighter B. A reason the fights were difficult for Manny has a lot to do with Manny.

Though I take nothing away from JMM and Morales.

 

You never know. Roberto Duran was so damn inconsistent and Floyd is the king of consistency. Duran on his best night can go undefeated, but how often is he at his best?

 

No, that's by your misunderstanding of what I said. Difficulty of a fighters resume and difficulty of a particular fight are two different things.

 

it's pretty straightforward. when comparing the difficulty of a resume (your phrase), losses and draws, ie more difficult fights, are by definition going to come against better fighters. get it?

 

Read the edited reply above yours.

 

nice edit. 1 is a subset of the other.

 

Well you said " if we are discussing the difficulty of one persons resume against that of another, how can we count the fights in which that person had a draw or a loss?" I don't see why it matters what the result was. I'm just assessing what we saw in the ring. And in my opinion, the versions of EM and JMM from those fights were the best version of any fighter that either Floyd or Manny has ever faced. I agree the fights being difficult had something to do with Manny and I believe Floyd would have beaten both versions of both men if the fights were plausible given the weights at the time. But that doesn't mean those weren't the best versions of any fighter that either man has been in the ring with. What version of any man either Floyd or Manny has fought (excluding one another) do you consider to be more difficult than JMM or EM from their first fights with Manny.

What you are getting hung up on is the comparison of the resumes as a whole. Since I have already stated that I believe the best version of Duran (given for the sake of argument that we assume he could make 126, let alone 130) walks through either man's complete resume in style. But if we go with the assumption that Duran could make 126 and 130 then I believe the 2 fights that give him the most trouble are JMM and EM from their first fights with Manny.

 

If you believe this, then by your definition you seem to believe what you accused me of.

 

Margarito was hot?!? KO'd by Mosley then suspended for a year after that. Suspended because he was caught with "loaded gloves," mind you.

Cotto declined a fight with Mayweather in 2006. Cotto said this.

Cool story. Will read again.