One thing (or two things) Mayweather has never done...

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is fight a defensive cutey or devastating puncher, with the possible exception of Zab Judah being a slight bit of both but mostly just a southpaw speedster with a poor mind-set.

    All the opponents he has ever chosen have been the walk-forward types who move into range with hooks. Hamed was elusive and powerful, Tszyu had that range and hardness of punch, and Winky was cute defensively. He wouldn't entertain the thought.

    Brook is quite elusive and hard-hitting, so I don't see Mayweather going near him. Amir Khan is a speed guy who loses his head, like Judah and Hatton, so he may pick him.

    Think about it. Castillo, Corrales, Chavez, green Canelo, Gatti, Hatton, Cotto, Maidana, old one-handed Oscar, old jabless Mosley, shot Pac, Baldomir, Ortiz, old Marquez, old Hernandez... they all just walked in with limited defense/power.

    If Khan sticks to Hunter's plan (hands up), moves around Mayweather with fast feet at a fast tempo and throws a lot of 1-2s, we don't have much evidence that Mayweather could deal with that, considering Khan can match or better his reach and hand speed.

    I predict Mayweather underestimating Amir Khan in September, and not fighting Brook or huge-punching GGG.
     
  2. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, Paul Williams and Margarito were the two fighters with a reach advantage on Floyd and he didn't entertain the thought... correct me if I'm wrong, but Amir Khan may have a reach advantage on Floyd!?
     
  3. fruitpunch

    fruitpunch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khans reach is nearly the same as Mayweather
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Depends on your definition of "devastating puncher". Corrales was the biggest hitter at 130 at the time and could do real damage with his left hook.

    Khan has some physical gifts like speed and range but he lacks the smarts, chin, and skills to beat Mayweather. It's like Albert Einstein vs. Forrest Gump when it comes to ring IQ.
     
  5. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maidana is a pretty devastating puncher, Pacquiao has shown to hold serious power, Canelo is no pity patty puncher. Didn't Mayweather call Hamed out at one point? He has fought big punchers. Williams and Margarito are fighters he could've fought sure but if he fought them instead of two others people would be saying Floyd ducked them instead. He hasn't fought many savvy defensive fighters true but who exactly ought he have faced?
     
  6. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    The problem is: Floyd is not only the best defensive fighter of his era...but actually one of the best of all time.

    No defensive fighter of the past 20 years would beat him.

    And most devastating punchers usually lack all of the other required abilities you would need to even land on a defensive fighter like Floyd

    so there you have it...

    Still to this day Pacquiao and Khan are the two men who seemingly have the best chance based on styles. Both would need to fight a perfect fight something Floyd almost always manages to do excluding in the first Maidana fight. Which again is why Floyd is damn special his ring IQ and his FOCUS is unbelievable.
     
  7. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well GGG is a wrecking machine at MW. SO if FLoyd opts not to fight him, I have no issue with it. However if he decided to fight him and was competitive in the match, that's on a ROberto Duran level of toughness IMO and really skyrockets my opinion of his greatness (and I already think pretty highly of the guy.)

    The people you mentioned were interesting as far as defensive cuties or whatever the term is. WInky Wright isn't cute defensively, he's great at it. Who else during FLoyd's career would you say was a great defensive fighter? I can't really think of anyone in and around the weight classes he campaigned at that could be considered a defensive cutie (again I don't know what that means.)

    You mention Hamed, that's laughable at best. He was a very sloppy fighter and I'd imagine would've been knocked out inside of 7 or 8 rounds against Floyd.

    I'm assuming you watched Hamed(and FLoyd when he was younger ) fight. Than you'd know about 14 years ago, FLoyd called him out on HBO right after he beat Corrales, and made mentione that he'd meet Hamed at a CW of 128 lbs. Merchant started laughing right in front of him, saying there's no way Naseem would ever step into the ring with Mayweather.

    That's a very common thought process by anyone who saw Naseem Hamed at 126 fight and FLoyd Mayweather Jr at 130 lbs fight.

    And this Kell Brook talk just has to stop. Come on now, that's just crazy talk. He needs to prove himself a lot more than he has up to this juncture in his career.
     
  8. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Junior Witter was another elusive powerful fighter.
     
  9. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A really crafty fighter I would've like to seen FLoyd fight was Joel Casamayor when he was in his prime. Now that would've been a good fight. But as much as he called out both Casa and Frietas when Floyd was at 130 and 135, he couldn't secure a fight with either of those guys at LW.

    And Kostya was an impossible fight to make chronologically speaking. Also, both guys weren't PPV superstars for their respective networks for HBO and Showtime to try and make a merged broadcast for that matchup.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nope. I've read this post from top to bottom four times in total now and I cannot see any reference to or where the connection to Chris Eubank might be in it.

    Are you feeling OK, Bulldog? Nothing wrong is there?
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao has never shown power at 147
     
  12. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    Didnt Corrales have a ridiculous KO ratio??
     
  13. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Try Paul Spadafora, who he couldn't lay a glove on in sparring in '99. Or Barrera, who was superb defensively against Hamed and with perfectly timed counter 1-2s. Mayweather didn't want to know skilful boxers or huge punchers.
     
  14. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Chico wasn't a devastating puncher at 130 I don't know who was. I'd rate him as a top 10 puncher at 130 in the history of the division. He carried that power to 135 and became the first man to stop a granite-chinned JLC. He had laughably slow hands for the division and a suspect defense and chin (don't mix up heart and chin). But I can't for the life of me see how he wasn't a devastating puncher.

    Regarding Naz, other posters have made this point but Floyd tried to make that fight. I don't particularly like Floyd and Naz is one of my all time favorite fighters but Floyd would have wiped the floor with me, let's be realistic.

    Khan's handspeed is electric but I certainly wouldn't call him 'cute defensively'. He has serious limitations as well. Namely, he moves in straight lines and has a high guard that seems to have gone from laughable under Roach to average under Hunter. As Enigmadabanks said, I doubt Floyd will fight GGG at this stage in either man's career. I won't hold it against him if he doesn't make the fight at 160. But if he did...win or lose I'd move him up my ATG list if he acquitted himself well (as he tends to do). Just as the manner of Duran's losing performance against Hagler is a major plus, not minus, on his resume.
     
  15. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well Barrera didn't fight above 126 until 2004. Floyd hasn't fought below 135 since 2002...