Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

I'm about to give you a demonstration why it might be a good idea to heed my advice.

 

10-28-2014

Yes I know they tested him for SOME of his fights after that. I remember reading that as part of his punishment (or rather the little slap on the wrist he got given) he had to agree to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. However, to the best of my knowledge I don't think he was being tested at all before that fight (for over the first decade of his career).

According to Clinton Woods neither he nor Roy were tested for their fight either, which is mind boggling considering that it was only a few years earlier Roy's test result came back dirty. Why didn't they test him then?

'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says he’s not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. “I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke,” Woods told the Sheffield Star. “In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. It’s always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money.”

On the loss to Tarver, Woods stated: “Did he have steroids in him when we boxed? I wouldn’t know. But in fairness he didn’t beat me because of anything like that, I just underperformed.

“I’d like to see random tests to keep everybody clean. No decent boxer would argue with that,” he added.

''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight''

I think it's certainly plausible. Your version is Roy didn't want to Germany because he was scared of getting robbed even though he'd seen his fellow countryman and former KO victim Virgil Hill go over there (2 fights prior to when he fought him) and get awarded the decision in a unification match up against Maske who was more popular among the locals than a pint of beer and football. They didn't refer to Maske as the ''German Michael Jordan'' for no reason. Like I said, his popularity in his homeland was absolutely insane, but Hill still managed to get the decision over him in evil old Deutschland

I didn't say steroids work miracles. I've read enough of your comical ''steroids and PEDs are basically placebos'' posts in the past to realize how completely pointless it is wasting any time trying to wrench your head out of Roy's ass in order to try and convince you otherwise. They're called performance enhancing drugs for a reason and it's for that very reason why athletes take them.

You're putting words in my mouth and then laughing at something I never even said lol. When exactly did I say these things? Show me please?

And again, they don't call them performance enhancing drugs for no reason. They might not turn a tortoise into a greyhound, but as much as it pains you to admit it, and it clearly does, they can and do help to enhance both athletes and their performances and give them unfair advantages.

The fact that Roy still wanted to cheat when he was already blessed with so much natural talent and ability only makes it even worse, IMO. And it's obvious to anyone with a brain (anyone who's not a member of the RJ ****ing appreciation society) he was on steroids throughout his best years.

Why do you Jones nuthuggers always carry on like Roy is the only one who is affected by wear and tear and the ageing process? His rivals are completely immune to such things though. Michalczewski was well past his best by the time he lost to Gonzalez. He only fought once more after that. He was a very aggressive fighter who absorbed tons more punishment and cumulative damage throughout his career than Roy ever did during the course of his. He was also a notorious party animal and playboy outside of the ring too.

When Roy loses it's because he was ''shot'' or because his punch resistance disappeared over night, but his rivals are always smack bang in the midst of their prime right up until they hang their gloves up. lol

And the Germans didn't rob Gonzalez when he went over to Germany either. Hill and Gonzalez both went over there and came back victorious but Roy wouldn't even entertain the idea of going over there.

No, not right. Completely wrong in fact. The point I was trying to make obviously flew right over your head. Go back and read again.

 

What a crock of **** argument, Imperial. I'm sure you're a nice guy and all but this post couldn't be full of anymore atsch if you tried. You're still railing against things I haven't even said.

No, wrong again. Hall shouldn't have beaten him from pillar to post because his testosterone levels were higher. Try actually reading what I've said before responding.

And yes we do know what he tested positive for - anabolic steroids. Don't even think about trying to turn this into a Ripped Fuel, nasal spray, or whatever other bull**** excuse argument you can muster up because I'm not interested in going round in circles with delusional nuthuggers. Roy tested positive for anabolic steroids end of.

And Steroids and PEDs are not bloody placebos. I've already explained my stance on not believing they don't work miracles, but contrary to what you man crush on Roy compels you to believe, they do enhance both athletes and their athletic performance and taking them is cheating.

No wrong again. I don't think that.

And this doesn't even make any sense to what I said. I was alluding to the double standards and different set of rules you Roy nuthuggers apply to him and how you don't apply them other fighters, especially rivals of his.

This doesn't make any sense to what I said either. I know why Roy took less punishment than Michalczewski, I was explaining to the reasons why Michalczewski wasn't in his prime when he fought Gonzalez, which is a line that you Roy nuthuggers often peddle. It's those double standards and different set of rules regarding him and other fighters again.

And Roy's glass jaw would've been getting shattered every other month had he fought as aggressively as Michalczewski, with or out his roids. :yep

No, you're clueless. You're the one who CONSTANTLY tries to make out PEDs are essentially placebos and you do because your head is so far up Roy's ass that it blinds you to reality. I never said they were a wonder drug or that we should attribute all his success to them but you want to keep arguing that I have. Roy was a superb natural talent and a fantastic fighter but he was also a drug cheat who augmented himself by taking PEDs.

And you Jones disciples need to be reminded of the fact that your messiah was a drug cheat because it's something that most of you seemingly A. Conveniently keep forgetting and B. Clearly couldn't give a **** about. And then you have the audacity to pretend you're not a bunch of steroid apologists and that you don't actually condone cheating lol.

Thing is, I've always actually liked Roy even though there are things he's done things I disapprove of or that disgust me. I have loads of his fights on my external HDs, some of which I still haven't got round to watching yet.

Just in case you think I'm bull****ting.

http://i.imgur.com/YnZEgOG.png

http://i.imgur.com/BGzEGS8.png

 

It's glaringly obvious he was on steroids during his best years. Does this look like someone who's clean to you? And that was a MW Roy who wasn't being tested.

http://imgur.com/PBpn8XY

It's obvious he used them for the John Ruiz fight too and we know he got caught taking them at LHW, which to the best of my knowledge was the first time he was tested for them as a pro, which also IIRC he had no idea he was going to be tested for. Anyone who thinks he only cheated the time he was caught is delusional and it's equally delusional to think he was clean when he wasn't being tested at all too.

I didn't say he had to fight that way I was explaining what would've happened if he did. And besides, I was only half being serious anyway.

Gonzalez was a pretty good fighter for one. And yes, Michalczewski was too far gone to beat him by that stage of his career, although it was pretty close from what I remember of it, not seen it in ages though.

And that 18-0 Zsolt Erdei was a damned good fighter too, and a highly decorated and experienced amateur who had over 230 amateur fights finishing with an overall record of 212-20.

Erdei was also world amateur championship gold medalist, an Olympic bronze medalist (losing to the excellent Russian Gaydarbek Gaydarbekov who was an Olympic gold and silver medalist) and a 2 x European gold medalist and a 1 x silver medalist too.

Erdei beat a lot of great amateurs too. His list of victims include:

The great Cuban Ariel Hernandez who was 2 x Olympic gold medalist and a 2x gold medalist at the world amateur championships (it would've been 3 had he not lost to Erdei in the final).

The superb Russian Alexandr Lebziak who was an Olympic gold medalist, a world amateur championship gold and silver medalist, and a 2 x European gold medalist and a he also won a silver and 2 bronze medals at those championships.

He beat another superb Russian too - Yevgeny Makarenko who was a 2 x gold medalist at the world amateur championships, a 2 x European gold medalist and he also won a bronze at those championships too.

Another of Erdei's amateur victims was the excellent Kazakh Yermakhan Ibraimov who was an Olympic gold and bronze medalst, and a world amateur championships silver and bronze medalist too.

Erdei also beat a couple of other fighters who won bronze medals at the world amateur championships too.

So in addition to Erdei being a highly decorated and accomplished amateur himself, he also beat 3 Olympic gold medalists (one a of them a 2 x gold medalist), 3 world amateur champions (2 of them 2 x winners) - and the world amateur championships are even harder to win than the Olympics, 2 European champions (both 2 x winners) and numerous opponents who won silvers and bronze medals in all those championships too.

Erdei was also a 2x world champion as a pro, and at 2 weights - LHW and CW.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. No hard feelings, Imperial. :good

 

That wasn't the first time we'd been through that either.

And yet here you are again launching the exact same accusations at me, the exact same straw man arguments and untruths even though we've been through it all before and I've explained my stance on all of this numerous times before.

Either you are suffering from a severe form of mind sickness or you need to put the joint down.