Roy Jones: How Good Was He?

He weighed 193lbs vs Ruiz.

He weighed ~185lbs vs Tarver.

Oh, I forgot this is RJJ land where the scales were wrong.:nut

 

The idea that Roy Jones Jr was not at his best against Antonio Tarver because he dropped weight seems very strange, and perhaps you should let up on it.

Running doesn't burn muscle. It's starvning that does. If you starve yourself and run, you will of course burn even more. Indeed, this would be incredible unhealthy, and any athlete who sticks to this approach will be severly weakened.

But it seem very weird that a boxer who had one fight at HW and realisticly belongs at SMW or LHW would have to take such an extreme approach. He could just switch from lifting weights to other types of training and he should start to shrink back.

So ... there's no valid excuse for Roys loss :deal

 

He must have been exceptionally good. How else to explain the thousands of posts per week dedicated to the question on this board?

It's bordering on obsession. When was the last Dariusz Michalczewski thread? Nobody cares how good he was, so why the fixation on RJJ?

I'll answer: Because it's fun to talk about greatness (and the haters love it too).

 

Nevertheless Woods turned out to be a pretty good fighter.

 

Mackie Shilstone was speculating. He said it may hurt his immune system. I looked up Macke's page and I see he has no qualifications in any biological based field, so he was speculating about something outside of his area of expertise

 

I've read your link as well as AnotherFan's post.

Nobody has said that Roy had to be on heavy weights for Tarver.


In the link that you've provided, the two examples given, were:

A loss of 24 pounds over a 7 month period.

Muscle mass returning to pre training levels after a 5 month period.


So again, my question is:

What has that got to do with Roy's situation?

He didn't have 5-7 months.

He had a period of around 2 months, where he not only had to shed the weight, but he also had to be in the best shape possible, to fight an extremely motivated Antonio Tarver in a world title fight.

So he couldn't simply lay around watching TV like AnotherFan claims, just waiting for the weight to drop off like the powerlifter. He was preparing for one of the biggest fights of his career.

You've said that the powerlifter lost 7 pounds in 2 months, by doing nothing. I'm not disputing that. But it has nothing to do with the predicament that Roy was in. It's completely irrelevant.

 

Which is why I heavily doubt he starved himself while doing roadwork, since that would be utterly unhealthy.

Well, if Roy didn't feel like lying in his bed watching TV-shop and eat potato ships, he could just train normally, without lifting weights.

The reason to why Roy aimed to drop this or that much weight during two months was because he knew it would be a piece of cake. If not, he would have required another fighting date :deal

What are you suggesting? That Roy had his mind set on heroricly starve himself like some ascet, to make sure the boxing fans would have to wait not a single day extra to see him getting knocked out? Can you give a logical explanation to why he would do that?

 

It would have been cool if he stayed at HW and fought Lennox Lewis, but that didn't happen. Roy felt it would have showed a lot if he went back down to LWH and recaptured the LHWC after winning the HWC, something only Bob Fitzsimmons did. (winning a LHWC after winning the HWC)

 

And how do you know it would have been easy??

From the information that you've provided regarding detraining, it seems that you hardly do anything for a sustained period. But that wasn't really a logical option for Roy at the time.

Also, from what I've read, purposely losing muscle mass by running, is very hard, and it can be harmful to your body.

You've got to drop your calorie intake that includes cutting protein, whilst doing prolonged workouts, which can weaken you.

Mackie Shilstone is one of the most respected sports strategists and nutritionists in the world. And he advised Roy to stay at HW, as losing muscle mass can affect the body's immune system.

So you can't possibly say how easy it would have been for him.

Logic alone should tell you that losing muscle mass in a short space of time, can't be good for you.

 

Only if it's dangerous to ...

1. ... stop lifting weights in order to build and maintain muscle mass. Which it isn't.

2. ... do roadwork. Which it isn't.

The reason to why a switch to roadwork makes an athlete lose muscle mass is the same as to why watching TV-shop does: the stimuli that triggers the body to build and maintain musle tissue is suddenly absent.

 

Seriously?

You HAVEN'T answered my questions, and I have NEVER blamed the loss to Tarver on the weight loss.

atsch

 

:good

 

RJJ highlight reel is 1000x better than Floyd's.

 

atsch

Why don't you THINK before you type?

Where have I said that Roy ONLY lost muscle??

I haven't.

But if he kept his Ruiz physique, he went from 196 down to 175 for the weigh in, before rehydrating. Obviously it wasn't all muscle.

 

How can you post yet another article, when I tore the others down yesterday?

What's wrong with you??




1. HBO tried to bring Dariusz M to the U.S. the previous year.

2. Bernard Hopkins turned down $6m to fight Roy, and then didn't fight again until the following year.

3. Woods was a mandatory. If Roy couldn't score a big fight, what else could he have done? He had mandatory obligations from three organisations.

4. In his very next fight, he fought Ruiz, who HBO were HAPPY with, because it was a BIG fight.

5. He then fought Tarver, who again HBO were HAPPY with, because again, it was a BIG fight.


So what's the point in posting links like that from a writer who was frustrated at the time, when we've seen links regarding Dariusz and Hopkins, and we know who Roy went on to fight after Woods??

Think about it.