Roy Jones: How Good Was He?

WTF are you saying!? Hops wanted 50/50 and Roy said 60/40 and will do it. Roy was the p4p and bigger draw, of course 60/40 was fair but hops wouldn't take it.

Roy was amazing, the best fighter the past 20 years easy. In his prime he barely lost a single round!

 

No, the scales were wrong according to Marc Ratner who conducted all the weigh ins on behalf of the N.S.A.C.

Roy had a 6-7 week camp with Mackie Shilstone, and he already weighed 192 on their first day together.

Like I've said, Ratner re weighed him the next day and apologised and shared a joke with Mackie. The scales read 199 pounds.

 

Could you give some sources about this? The debacle betwee Dariusz M and RJJ has been debated extensively but I haven't read any conclusive evidence about who made the first move, who really tried to face the other guy, negotiations etc...

 

Roy had fought 50 times and was almost 35 years of age when he fought a highly motivated Tarver. So he was obviously past his absolute peak. But he was still on top, and he legitimately won their first fight.

Now I've never once made any excuses for his loss to Tarver in the rematch. He got caught with a perfect shot, and it happens in boxing. I give Tarver a lot of credit.

With regards to the weight loss, Roy has stated that he hardly ate and he ran for prolonged periods. The reason he took such a drastic approach, is because he was battling against the clock. That's what I'm trying to emphasise to you. The whole thing was unprofessional and rushed. He tried to hold out for a big money HW fight, whilst Tarver was baiting him at every opportunity. A fight against Evander came close to being made, as did a fight with Corrie Sanders in the summer. But Roy changed his mind on it and wanted extra money. And when the fight didn't materialise, he ended up taking the Tarver fight on the date that HBO had saved for him. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but he should never have taken that fight. Mackie Shilstone told him to remain at HW.

So theoretically, yes, Roy could have just detrained and eased back down under different circumstances. But not when the contract had been signed in September, and the fight was in November. It just wasn't possible.

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http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=15849

 

Best fighter of the last 20 years wouldn't spend the better half of that time frame getting the **** knocked out of them, you Jones fans are SO delusional. Yeah he didn't lose many rounds because he fought bums for so long... Seriously, there are literally 2+ year stretches of his career where he fought almost nothing but tomato cans!

 

AnotherFan,

What were his options realistically? Again, he was battling time.

And if you're disputing that that's what he did, how else did he lose the weight?

How could he have trained normally? He couldn't have shed the weight by training normally. You have to do specific things to lose muscle. Remember that if reports were correct, he was in the 190's with a low percentage of body fat. So that wasn't a normal position for him to have been in. He'd never been just under 200 pounds and ripped before like he was against Ruiz.

We'd need to speak to either Roy or someone from his camp.

He did say in his post fight interview that he never realised how tough it was to lose the weight.

"I had the hardest time of my career trying to lose the weight. I never thought the weight would be so hard to get off."

So he may have underestimated the task at hand, or HBO may not have offered him another date. He's said in the past that he wanted a tune up before Tarver III, but HBO pushed for their date.

As above.

 

You've said in your previous post that starving yourself (having a low calorie intake) and running is very unhealthy.

That's what Roy says he did, and I've read a few articles online where other people have done it too.

 

Bernard wanted an even split, even though Roy had beaten him, and he'd have had to drop weight for a catchweight.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/boxing/stories/2002-07-10-jones-hopkins.htm

 

I'll try and find you some.

Or I'll try and find you a link to a thread where it was discussed in detail.

To cut a long story short, Roy had no intentions of going to Germany, and HBO found it difficult to bring Dariusz over to the U.S.

 

So he can't be classed as one of the best fighters of the last 20 years, due to what's happened at the tail end of his career?

Okay.

Many former greats have fought on for too long. I'm sure you don't need me to make a huge list? Don't you remember SRL at 40 ? Tyson vs McBride, etc? There's no need for me to mention anymore.

He didn't fight bums for so long at all.

You are a hater and it's clouding your judgement.

I also told you a few days ago that Roy's resume stacks up to anyone who fought in the same weight classes from the same era. Go and check for yourself. Everyone fights bums at some point, and the majority that Roy fought were mandatories. After he'd unified against Reggie Johnson, he had mandatory obligations from three organisations.

If you can't see how great he was, you've got issues.

 

I said THE, not that he wasn't one of the greatest of the last 20 years. I actually think Roy was a very good fighter, but that he's vastly overrated by fanboys such as yourself.

Roy's resume isn't good enough to put him close to #1, and negate his shortcomings over the last 11-12 years. Whether you like it or not boxing historians, and many fans are going to be taking those losses to Tarver, and Johnson while rating his legacy... Also the fact that he faced less than stellar competition during his time on top and fighting the other big dogs of his time, regardless whether or not this was his owndoing, or just both sides not being able to come to an agreement and make the fight. I tend to go with the former because it's very hard to believe that he had trouble negotiating with all of these fights, he just seemed content with fighting stiffs and not looking for big fights unless all of his demands were met. Good fighter? Yes. But not as great as you fanboys would like to think....

If you can't see why there are people like myself, and Rico who question Roy's legacy then you're obviously a delusional fanboy. I recognize Roy as a good fighter, maybe even great. But he's not the greatest fighter of the last 20 years, certainly not one of the greatest of all time, no way....

 

As a matter of fact, the distinction between you and Rico is not at all clear.

If you're not identical personalities, then you might as well be. Your two souls should just have a merger. It would be economical and nothing would be lost in the process.

 

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