Top 35 African American Heavyweights 1930-1948

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Since the color line/racism was still effective in those days, I thought I would rank the top black heavyweights of this era. Some of these men were very talented fighters who for one reason or another(mainly due to the color of their skin), never received the big opportunities so they ended up not maximizing their potential.


    1. Joe Louis- 6'2 200lb 76"
    2. Jersey Joe Walcott- 6'0 195lb 73"
    3. Ezzard Charles- 6'0 185lb 72"
    4. Elmer Ray- 6'2 195 78"
    5. Archie Moore- 5'11 185 76"
    6. Jimmy Bivins- 5'9 185 76"
    7. George Godfrey- 6'3 225lb 80"
    8. Lee Q Murray- 6'4 210lb (?)
    9. Lem Franklin- 6'2 200lb 76"
    10. Roscoe Toles- 6'2 200lb
    11. Larry Gains- 6'1 205 77"
    12. Turkey Thompson- 5'8 210lb 73"
    13. John Henry Lewis- 6'0 180lb 76"
    14. Tiger Jack Fox- 5'11 175lb 75"
    15. Obie Walker - 5'9 230lb
    16. Harry Bobo- 6'4 220lb 78"
    17. Eddie Blunt - 6'0 220lb
    18. Hatchetman Sheppard- 5'11 180
    19. Leroy Haynes - 6'1 210lb 76"
    20. Jack Trammell- 6'6 185lb 80"
    21. Ed Bearcat Wright - 6'1 210
    22. Buddy Walker - 5'11 195
    23. Al Hart- 6'1 225lb
    24. Big Boy Bray- 6'1 215lb
    25. Willie Reddish- 5'11 190
    26. Johnny Haynes- 6'4 220
    27. Sid Peaks- 6'3 215
    28. Henry "Snow" Flakes- 6'0 195
    29. Lou Brooks- 6'0 190lb
    30. Clayton Worlds- 6'6 195
    31. Big Boy Brown- 6'1 250lb
    32. Lorenzo Pack- 5'11 200
    33. Yancey Henry- 6' 195
    34. Perk Daniels- 6'0 190
    35. Tiger Ted Lowry- 5'10 180

    HM: Otis Thomas- 5'11 205
     
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  2. mcvey

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    Why the vital statistics?
    Does the Tale of the Tape have any bearing on their abilities?
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    35 men listed, and Louis only fought two of them in his 26 title matches.

    One of them #12 was going blind and Louis gave him a favor. The other arguably defeated him on point in the first match.

    While not all of these men were active enough for a title shot from 1937-1948 ( Example Godfrey ) the majority were.

    The excuse that two black fighters would not draw in Louis day is false, as evidenced by the attendance and gates from the Walcott fights.

    Louis vs Walcott 2: A crowd of 42,667 at Yankee Stadium produced a gate of $841,739.
     
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  4. Bummy Davis

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    check out the men that beat the guys on the list and you will see Louis fought the winners such as Pastor and Conn and Galento and Walcott and Charles
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

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    bump. Some interesting fighters here. Jack Trammell was a giant who could box well.
     
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  6. The Long Count

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    Unknown Winston's record was sub par but like Johnny Risko he had some interesting victories.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Three, two of them the top two, and the only other fighter that made the #1 contender's slot was there for a matter of weeks.

    Your obsession with the colour of the opponents of Joe Louis is one of the most bizarre things i've ever encountered on this forum. And that's saying something.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    How else are white folk gonna tell them apart ? :huh
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Unknown Winston was involved in a lot of fixed fights. That's why I left him off. It's just too "Unknown" whether Unknown was going to show up or not.
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

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    Well, Yes. If they had size, and could box or punch, they pose a threat to Joe Louis.
     
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  11. edward morbius

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    Louis fought a lot of big fellows.

    The three who beat him weighed 192, 181, and 184 respectively.

    I don't understand this obsession with size.

    Big and good are two different words, and there is a reason for that.
     
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  12. SuzieQ49

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    Thats why I said "Big plus could punch or box"...not just big.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    I accidently left out Henry Snow Flakes. I am updating my list now with SnowFlakes in the new rankings for anyone interested.
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    bump
     
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  15. The Mongoose

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    Vital stats are only important in Marciano fantasy fights....everyone knows that.
     
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