It says a lot about the people asking Floyd to move up

Ok he took a fight he thought he could win.

It's a little different than moving out your weight class to fight the best in another.

 

John Ruiz while credible, was hardly a big threat. He was a good disruptor, had good fundamentals but wasn't really powerful, wasn't really fast and made his name being able to confuddle and out work other boxers.

It would be akin of Floyd Mayweather Jr going up to 160 and fighting someone of the likes of Felix Sturm. Ex Champion, credible fighter, but no where near the best.

Let's remember, Lennox Lewis was the true king of HW - Jones Jr wanted no part of that business.

So, hardly a relevant point to discuss.

 

I don't get your point. Floyd spend his entire career taking fights the thought he could win.

But I as mentioned I do agree that Ruiz was handpicked by Jones, and he avoided Lewis and even a shot version of Tyson, I said as much on another post.

So yes he was hand picked, but it still had an element of courage to it, given that Ruiz weighed 29lbs more than him and hugged his way to a pretty impressive career.

 

I've said it twice that Roy avoided both Lewis and even a shot version of Tyson, but he still took on a challenge as he was outweighed by 29lbs.

Hell, if Floyd did that you'd be crying for a national holiday.

 

It's admirable that he chose to move up to heavyweight which was out of his natural weight class.

But he still beat Ruiz. And at the end of the day Ruiz is Ruiz.

 

Floyd fought the best (at that time) young LMW at 154 without a catch weight. To me, that would've been akin to Jones Jr going up and facing someone like Jean Marc Mormeck.

The other thing to note is that Floyd at 160 would look more blown up than Jones Jr looked at 193. It's incredible that a guy who fought at 160 got to the HWs and won a title in the modern era, but I don't rate it any better than even Pacquaio facing Cotto and winning.

 

Duran did that. Spinks too. Greb also, Tunney as well.

Conn also did that but lost. Big list of fighters who moved up and took on the best. Didn't always win, but they tried.

 

Why do Flomos always pretend people are asking Floyd to move to 160 when Golovkin has said he will fight him at 154?

 

Same. Pacquiao was really a natural featherweight. Probably more of a natural SFW by 2009.

What's special about that fight was Cotto was a very, very good fighter.

 

The Golovkin fight won't happen at 154, or 160.

A: Golovkin is not a big name at all.
B: The fight won't do business the likes that an Amir Khan or even Alvarez rematch will do.
C: Golovkin while highly impressive, hasn't really proven himself against the best in his own weight class.
D: Even when Floyd wins that fight, it would be another case of "Golovkin was green and a bum"

Sure, if Floyd was say 28 instead of 38 then maybe this is a fight he takes, but at 38? He's looking for a money fight.

 

This fight won't happen and would never happen because FLoyd simply does not have the nads. You can spare us the whole A through D bulls#it.

 

Pac who started off at 110 (it was really 105 but who cares) beat a guy at 150 Margarito. that's a 40lb increase from when he started out as a pro.

Jones I believe started out at 154 and ended up winning the heavyweight title. So rather having the sole focus on Mayweather, why not applaud these accomplishments as well?

 

Now we're getting somewhere. :good

Floyd's a great fighter, but others have in their own way done just as well, and I certainly don't think he's TBE.

 

The problem though, comes down to the fact that most people are too busy being fans or haters, so much so that that they discredit performances and always expect "more"

Pacquaio at 140-147 still looks slim, fast and not blown up - regardless, I'd say his natural weight was probably 130. He was quick, was average to tall for the weight, had power that would allow him to stop fights. He has to work hard to maintain a weight around the 145-150lb mark

Likewise I'd say Floyd was probably natural at 135lbs. His booking sheet for Jail was 148lbs and he's well known for drinking soda and eating lollies while training for his fights. He could still easily make 140lbs without much duress if he chose to.

Reality is both of these guys went upwards to 140 and 147 because thats where the big money fights were. The fact that both these guys have credible wins at 154lbs is impressive especially when you factor in that neither of these guys have been consistently stopping guys at 140-147. Floyd really didn't carry power from 135lbs onwards, Manny ( whether PEDS is an issue or not ) despite early performances at 140-147, showed that his power also wasn't really there in later fights.

Going up to 160 against a fighter in Golovkin who absolutely will fight at 168 and likely 175 isn't something I'd expect anyone who started around 130.

Duran is a different case, that guy was crazy and ultimately lived for boxing. In the case of Pacquaio and Floyd, Pacquaio would rather be playing basketball and being a politician, Floyd would rather be counting his money and hitting his wives. They're not going to go up to 160 to fight someone who at this point in time is completely unproven and wouldn't be a big money fight, and ultimately would be discredited even when they won.

 

Yeah, but Margarito was never universally seen as "the man" at any weight he was at. He had the amazing performance against Cotto, however the suspicion now has to be around loaded wraps as per subsequent fights.

Jones Jr was 154lb as an amateur, 160lb as a professional.

As for "Why focus on Floyd and not applaud others" - you've just seen I applaud others, but the reality is Pacquaio took losses throughout his career and Jones Jr at the end of his career.

Floyd, despite being diminished, hasn't stopped fighting "the best" at 147 and hasn't stopped winning - that's the difference.