It says a lot about the people asking Floyd to move up

Plus they did same day weigh ins, right? Meaning Duran's opponents weren't rehydrating 15-20 lbs.

 

lol, and beating "The fighter of the decade", the "P4P #2" and a guy that everyone else said would be a challenge for him wasn't proving himself?

 

Floyd has had a career that stacks up against any other fighter, I don't see him as the greatest of all time but I also don't really differentiate a "Top 10" - once you're the best of your generation, no real point trying to work out if you were better than Sugar Ray Robinson or Joe Louis or Mohammad Ali, because it's entirely subjective.

I rate everyone at that level as the same - as true "All Time Greats" and the definitive best of their time.

 

I'm simply pointing out the flaws in your logic.

Floyd hasn't fought at 114 since he was 17 whilst Manny was fighting there at 21. Floyd hasn't fought at 130 since he was 24 while Pac was fighting there at 31. We can go on and on.

On the other thread you said that 10 years ago GGG was fighting at 154. Well, 10 years ago GGG was 23 and 1 year ago Canelo was 23 and fighting at 155 and his first fight at 154 was when he was 19.

You're just using this logic when it suits you.

 

A marketing ploy...people don't take kindly when they buy something and it doesn't come sold as advertised.

You go around saying you're TBE, the people are (rightly) going to hold you to that standard.

Truth is, he can't even begin to measure up because he ducked and dodged throughout his career, carefully choosing his opponents who were often on the slide.

 

Not really though - again, the difference remains.

Cotto isn't proven at MW despite a paper title
Alvarez isn't even tested at MW.

Cotto is a guy who is topping out at MW, while Golovkin will fight at 175.

But sure, argue in circles and try make it seem like GGG shouldn't step up to 168 to chase down Ward.

 

No, because he deliberately waited until Pacquiao was far enough past prime. He was fighter of the last decade, it's 2015.

 

I guess you didn't read my post in the other thread.

I said I want him to fight Ward and think Ward will UD him comfortably.

You are just using the exact same logic that you previously denied was plausible to your advantage now that it suits you.

It's okay to admit when you have made a mistake.

 

Poor reviews of the product tell the real story.

Stop comparing him to Ali please, it's nauseating.

 

The absolute problem in your logic exists in three simple facts

1. 2010 didn't get made because Pac was scared of needles.
2. Mayweather isn't exactly in his prime at the age of 38.
3. Pacquaio had already lost by 2010 and the only fighters he's truly lost to since then are Marquez who had arguably already beaten him and Floyd. Bradley was a **** decision.

Ultimately, a lot more has been made out of "Floyd losing his legs" and "Floyd being feather fisted" and "a high work rate fighter like Pacquaio would beat him now, owing to his struggles with Maidana"

After the fight, let's all pretend like Floyd isn't a 38 yr old fighter about to retire because it suits your narrative of "Well he waited until he could beat Pacquaio"

*****, please, a tonne of us have posts in 2009 pointing out exactly how this fight went down, right down to the score prediction and the fact that Floyd would be too quick, too accurate and too good for Pacquaio.

So, don't bring your revisionist history in when they do fight, and they're both diminished, yet Floyd master classed him.

 

I actually used the logic you guys were using in that thread in this thread, it's more relevant in this thread, if you look at their weights by age, Floyd and Pac are a lot closer than GGG and Cotto for instance.

 

Ali and Floyd are in the same class. It's nauseating when you're trying to split hairs over generational talent.

 

Those are opinions not facts.

Pacquiao is an explosive fighter, they age quicker. Just look at B-Hop and Roy Jones.

Moreover, Pacquiao had been KO'd in 2012 and been a more cautious fighter, not the same fighter.

Mayweather waited him out, he'll never have a win over a prime Pacquiao, so no, it's not proving jack shit. A lot of people don't even think he won.