The official Mayweather vs. Pacquiao aftermath trash receptacle

I watched it backwards and forwards, side to side, blue screened, slow mo, inverted and STILL didn't have Pac winning, not even close.

Pac****s. 118-110 lives on, forever and ever. Until the ends of time.

 

This is sad I mean really pac re****ed fans are doing everything they can by trying to fool us into thinking pac really landed more then mayweather lol. If landing arms, elbows, are legal then pac fans have a point.

 

Lederman gave 2nd to Pac and had it a draw after 6. is he an ardent Mayweather hater? Round 1 was clear Floyd, 2 was not... In round 2, Pac trapped floyd on the corner, unleashed a couple of flurries, was the clear aggressor and Floyd didn't land anything significant. They traded 1 or 2 good punches from what i recall but Pac was clearly more busy and had more control of the action. I wouldn't call it a clear Pac nor Floyd round, depends how you saw it. My issue is this 'clear' business, that was a real close round. I wish 10-10 was allowed cause giving a round to someone just because someone has to win the round is not fair, we both know Floyd will get most close rounds..

 

Floyd took round 1-3 .. Even in round 2 where you said Pac threw flurries, they were in effective and missed the mark. Floyd controlled the pace of the up until round four where pac was able to land a punch and then throw a flurry, in my opinion was ineffective. Floyd on the other hand showed that he could control Pac on the outside using his right hand as a threat.

 

+1

 

My focus all along has been inaccurate punch stats. That is much more objective then arguing who really should have won the rounds.

First, I took a look at that round 1 Slo-mo of Floyd vs Manny, and foundsome punches that were hard to determine what landed. Both men were blocking a lot early on very effectively. For many of these punches, super slo-mo really is needed to track punches landed. The way I will be scoring punch stat hits is anything that lands on the body or head, even if it's partially blocked, is a hit. Like Floyd threw a number of jabs with Manny blocking. Well most were right into the gloves, but one punch hit the glove but got through and lightly connected with his head. That's partially blocked head connect through the guard is 1 hit for Floyd. Likewise, in the opening seconds of the round, Manny threw a punch to Floyd's stomach as Floyd was moving away. It barely connected, didn't cause any damage, but I still call that a hit. In real time, it might have looked as if Floyd moved away, but you can see through slo-mo it hit. These are some examples.


Anyway, I am reading some comments regarding Pac Bradley 1 and let me illustrate a point here. Check out the official compu box of Pac Bradley 1. Bradley got the decision, but at the time the vast majority of the public had Pacquiao winning. You might say "ohh well HBO was biased towards Manny". Perhaps, but lets play devil's advocate for a minute and say the official judges had it right Bradley deserved to win. (not an unreasonable stance, in fact I watched the fight back and paid more attention to what Bradley was doing, and well I determined it was close and concluded I was fine with Bradley winning)

But lets say you believe Bradley deserved to win. That the vast majority of the public was wrong thinking Manny won. For those people who believe that, check out those punch stats:

Total Punches Pac-Man : 253/751 34%, Bradey 159/839 19%.

Think about those punch stats for a second. For all your Floyd fans who think Pacquiao deserved to lose to Bradley 1, how can you account for that huge punch stat discrepancy??

Regardless of who you thought should have won, this shows there is something erroneous about Compu Box. If a fight was truly close as the scorecards indicated, if Compu Box truly was accurate, then Pacquiao landing a whopping 94 more punches and landing at a 15% higher percentage should be clear evidence that Pacquiao not only won, but dominated, right?

This is why punch stats / compu box are not accurate. For all you Floyd fans saying Pac didn't get robbed in Bradley 1, fine, but please explain those punch stats if that is the case. If Bradley deserved to win over Pac, then fine, but then in that scenario clearly something is wrong with those punch stat numbers.

If someone got awarded a decision rightly but landed 94 fewer punch stat punches, then surely someone who landed only 67 fewer punches (Pac vs May) would at least be in the realm of debatable?

Many people have cited the punch stat #'s as backup proof that Floyd beat Pac, but if that were the case then punch stat #'s would likewise indicate Pac dominated Bradley in their first fight, which is not the consenses anymore. What happened is people re-watched Pac Bradley 1 and realized that Bradley actually was doing work on the inside that perhaps the judges noted but the punch stat operators didn't, punches that were hard to track in real-time.

 

The slow motion gimmick has run it's course.

 

Forget about slo-mo for a second. How about just rewatching a fight in real time with the sound off? Isn't there some value to studying a fight and re-examining what happened? If we could view each round from multiple camera angles, we'd be able to limit pretty much all error associated with punch stats.

Some people might not have the time for slo-mo, or think it a gimmick, but if you really are interested in quantifying what actually landed and what didn't, I don't know how you can ignore it as a tool.

Again, I am not suggesting slo-mo makes it easier to score a round, but rather that it is a more accurate way to track punches landed / thrown. I don't think that fact can be disputed. If you don't like the idea of doing that and re-tracking punch stats, then surely you can admit that punch stats are unreliable as they currently exist. Pac - Bradley 1 proves it. 94 punches more than an opponent would indicate a domination.

 

Ok, how about Pacquiao Bradley 1? How did you see that fight?

 

Think everyone had it a Pacquiao win.

The fact is: Pacquiao lost this fight and anyone with more than half a brain knows it. :hi: