Why Lewis' win over Bowe at the Olympics doesn't tell who would win as a pro

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like both Lewis and Bowe, and Lewis should obviously be ranked higher than Riddick in an all-time rankings.

    But I often read how people are trying to "improve" Lewis' legacy by counting win over Bowe at the amateurs to his resume, which is completely wrong.

    First, amateur fights are completely different to professional boxing.

    Bowe should've lost semi-final to Miroshnicenko, and the final would be different, but Bowe got a gift.
    Since Miroshnicenko easily beat Lewis less than a year earlier, the outcome of finals could be different.

    Bowe in amateurs was only 10% of Bowe from 92-93', as great Eddie Futch worked with him for those years and made him far more developed fighter in all areas.

    If you count Lewis' amateur win over Bowe, you should also count Lewis' loss to Miroshnicenko in 1987, and Lewis' KO loss to Valeri Abajan in 1986.

    You should also count Bowe' loss to Jorge Luis Gonzalez in 1986, yes the same Gonzalez who was dominated and knocked out cold by Riddick Bowe as a pro.

    Guess what? When they fought as amateurs it was Gonzalez who knocked Bowe out COLD and it's on youtube.

    So amateur fights mean nothing when we estimate fighter's professional resume, and that's the main point.
     
  2. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amateurs to pros is completely diffrent game. It should not be used as a reason to support Lewis as a sure winner if the fight occurred as a pro but I understand why people do-it is a fight and the result was a KO win for Lewis. I think what hurts Bowe, and there were more politics behind the scene that people don't realise, was when he foolishly dropped his belt in the garbage can rather than face Lewis who was the #1 contender. It made Bowe look real bad.
    As for the Gonzalez fight-man was that guy an overrated hype job. I remember that fight he looked awful he could not avoid a jab or right hand to save his life.
     
  3. TheSouthpaw

    TheSouthpaw Champion Full Member

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    I like both Lewis and Bowe as well, But as a fan you have to distinguish between Pros and Amateurs. I never understood why Bowe wouldnt fight Lewis as a pro. Although I think he stood a chance Bowe loses to Lewis as a pro. Id say Lewis wins by one sided decision or late KO.
     
  4. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your point is valid. However, Lewis would still beat Bowe as a professional. In my opinion, and in the opinion of Magnasakki who trained and sparred with Bowe, he was an overachiever who benefited from Holyfield choosing to war with him in the first go-round.

    Some people look at Bowe and think -- oh, man, what might have been, wasted potential, etc -- but he did as much as he could ever do the way he trained.
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bowe had great potential, but his laziness and lack of dedication made his prime so short, unlike other tall fighters.

    But in his short prime Bowe was a beast - great puncher, excellent boxer.
    In fact, Bowe hit much harder than McCall (Lionel Butler - Bowe KO2, McCall Wpts10, Fergusson - Bowe KO2, McCall - W10, Seldon - Bowe KO1, McCall - KO9), or Rahman (ask Jesse Fergusson who at 42 went 12 rds against Rahman, but couldn't take Bowe shots at all).

    However, it doesn't mean Bowe would land those shots on Lewis' chin, who would be cautious, and Lewis also knows how to deal with his style.

    Shame that fight didn't happen in 1993.

    By the way, was Magnasakki a professional? what's his official record?
     
  6. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    Lewis turned down a lot of money to fight Bowe in 1993.
     
  7. ITSMACHOTIME

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  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Bowe was just a 17 year old boy when he fought Lewis in the amateurs. It means nothing.

    Tyson demloished a couple of guys he lost to in the ams.

    Its thought Bowe lost to Holyfield in the second fight so Lewis would sure of beaten him. Nonsense. That Holyfield would of beaten Lewis as well. Lewis was lucky to beat a Holyfield who was giving up clear loses to Byrd, Ruiz and James Toney.

    Lewis had is hands full with a shot limited Bruno who had already been bulldozed by Witherspoon, Tyson and Smith.

    By the way Bowe treated his career it was obvious he wasn't afraid of giving up a loss. Lewis wanted no part of Bowe and the fact he never fought the other prime big name fights back it up.
     
  9. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People develop at different rates. Bowe wasn't the fighter as an amateur he was as a pro.Michael Dokes decisioned Greg Page 3-2 as an amateur,but I don't think he would be able to beat him as a pro unless certain effects were in place.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Both on their best nights, very tough close battle .I give Lewis a slight edge but Bowe has a decent chance
    imo..
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree that it doesn't prove anything, in terms of who would have won a professional fight, between the two.

    Having said that, I would still lean heavily towards Lewis.
     
  12. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Old thread :bbb

    For me it's hard to pick the winner if the two met in 93.

    But 3 years later Lewis would've definitely won, and by most likely by KO.
     
  13. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favor Bowe if they fought during Bowe's reign after the first Holyfield fight. I think he was much more durable than Lewis and it would have made the difference in the fight. It's a shame it didn't happen. I think Rock Newman was way too conservative and protective of Bowe. I guess he thought the only big money was a rematch with Holyfield, but a fight with Lewis in 1993 would have been a huge fight.
     
  14. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    People do it because Bowie so blatantly ducked Lewis as a pro he made it hard to ignore.
     
  15. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    well you make some good points,,,

    however, what I saw most was a handspeed difference between Bowe and Lewis and I think that was both in the am's and the pro's. But overall I agree not a lot should be read into their amateur meeting.

    regardless, I still think Lewis would of beaten Bowe head to head, well I don't rate Bowe as high as most anyways

    i don't think Bowe was as good as many do.