STOP deadlifting.

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  1. Problematic

    Problematic New Member Full Member

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    As a boxer fighting at amateur levels we must push our bodies through various exercises throughout the week.

    -Sparring
    -Heavy Bag work
    -Shadowboxing
    -Pads
    -LISS or HIIT cardio outside the gym
    -Other Strength Training (bodyweight or barbells ect)

    This takes a huge toll upon the Central Nervous System as we look to constantly strive to increase our cardio capacity, power, speed and fat:muscle ratio.

    Whilst eating a good amount of calories and getting adoquate rest and recovery you may be able to handle the great stress that conventional deadlifts place upon the CNS. However as amatuers our lives do not revolve around training and even if we were pros life events happen which could stress us out and decrease recovery (birth of a child, family death ect). As amateurs among other stressors and influences which could decrease our capacity to recover we can have to work extra hours in the office, have work related stress and be eating below maintenance to cut weight for a fight.

    By doing the range of exercises we do as boxers this will put our system under great stress and can burn us out if we are hitting our body with an extremely strenuous exercise like the deadlift which doesn't have great carryover to the sport itself.

    Therefore, I suggest that all boxers remove the conventional deadlift from their training. If you wish to train the hammies and glutes with some sort of deadlift as it is obviously more athletic than isolation exercises, do straight legged deadlifts instead as they are drastically less taxing.

    Cliffs:
    The CNS is like a jug of water. Training and stress pours water out of the jug whilst rest and recovery (sleep+food ect) put water back in. Doing a highly strenuous and unnecessary for boxing movement such at the conventional deadlift pours loads of water out of the metaphorical jug leaving you at far greater risk of burning yourself out.

    Burning yourself out will decrease performance and put you at a greater chance of injury in terms of training outside of the ring. And when you face opponents inside the ring during sparring or a fight, you being burnt out will leave you much more susceptible to punches and injuring yourself.
     
  2. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course. Deadlifts are the ultimate destroyers of boxers.
     
  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Why the deadlift in particular? Couldn't the same be argued about other lifts then?
     
  4. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty much.

    It seems the OP doesn't understand how to structure his training to avoid burning out.

    Just another ignorant post on a boxing forum.
     
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  7. Problematic

    Problematic New Member Full Member

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    Correction. OP provides advice on how to better utilise your CNS capacity by avoiding an excercise that wastes a hell of energy whilst not providing great carryover to the sport of boxing. By performing alternative excercises to work those muscles you will have more energy left to perform excercise which actually improves your boxing ability.
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Your butthole might fall out, good suggestion.:yep
     
  9. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting observation.
     
  10. pablinov

    pablinov Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was thinking along similar lines. I've been learning about Nick Curson and his company speed of sport, he trained Ruslan for the Matthysse fight and also other boxers (Donny Nietes, Donaire) and mma guys (Rafael Dos Anjos)

    He has a very interesting approach of reducing/ eliminating conventional weight lifting and instead performing exercises that challenge your nervous system in a unique way.

    (what I got from it is by doing these specific exercises, you restructure/rewire the human body to eliminate/dissolve the fragmentation of different body parts that you've developed by lifting weights and help your body work in unison.)

    His approach fits very nicely into my studies of body tensions, and it seems the results of Nick Curson speak for themselves.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuJ6MFhs_g

    http://www.speedofsport.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eHRF5cEmAg
     
  11. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do a lot of similar work, over the last 20 years. Its the way forward.
     
  12. zetsui

    zetsui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There are better ways to build your core for power, without adding all the mass you get with deadlifting. I think explosive squats beat it for boxing and most athletic and fitness purposes
     
  13. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Anybody can talk about the nervous system and come up with gimmicky training. The basics work and that's why every serious athlete lifts weights (and everything you do trains your nervous system in a very specific way, including lifting your hand to get a glass of water). How does your body not work in unison when lifting weights? Deadlifts, Olympic lifts are as 'whole body' as you can get. And if you took muscle physiology 101 you understand the size principle of muscle recruitment, and why you need heavy loads to recruit higher threshold motor units and develop power/strength. There is simply no way around lifting heavy weights if you want to be a better athlete. If somebody is selling you their way of training and how 'unique' it is then it isn't evidence based and the best you can hope for is that it doesn't harm you.
    And don't talk about your 'studies' unless you're talking about a PHD that you're working on.


    Edit: Just watched the video... idiotic. It's just plyometric training done poorly with some fitness ***** thrown in for extra gimmick factor. LOL at the end where it claims strength was improved by 75%, by lying on a fit ball and performing an ugly plyo leg press variation. Strength in what and how was it measured. Incredibly dumb, and anyone who thinks that could be a good way to develop physically is also incredibly dumb.
     
  14. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Of course you have, you also have an idiotic gimmick to sell. If it was the way forward do you think maybe you would've moved it forward in some way in the last 20 years?
    Gurus everywhere
     
  15. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You crack me up :rofl:rofl:rofl.