Better resume: Froch or Kessler?

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  1. Ahurath

    Ahurath Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch in my opinion.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why is it a sensible pick Eric? What wins stand out for you, for this better resume?
     
  3. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bute & Pascal are the ones who really stand out. And Groves might be in the future as well.
     
  4. AnotherFan

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    Mikkel Kessler beat Carl Froch up while Froch was in the middle of his career. Because of that, I find it strange to rate Froch above Kessler.

    I think many pick Froch because his career has been more of a good show.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    bute and pascal stand out.

    also froch has the benefit of his former arch rival Mikkel rematching him (and subsequently handily losing to him), whilst kesslers arch rival calzaghe ran in gibbering fear of a rematch once kesslers injury had healed.

    Of course, Froch has moved up in the world to tougher arch rivals now, with Ward.

    if Kessler had run in gibbering fear from a rematch with froch, it might be a different story.
     
  6. Pablo_p

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    Most those guys on Kessler resume are european level & beat unknown european fighters to win belts. Most of those guys like magee startison & mundine couldn't do **** on the world level & are considered bums. Pascal groves & dirrell or still top 10 fighters no one on Kessler resume besides froch is active or was ever considered world level. We all know how weak SMW was at times fighters only fought in their home countries holding belts for hostage.. A prime Kessler was a beast but froch beat world level fighters. It ain't about who's advertised it's about being overrated & your overrating those guys on kessler's resume. Just because they were considered the best then don't mean they were really good. Going by your logic you can argue butes resume. Froch is top 3 in one of if not the strongest era in smw history & this is going off pure talent.
     
  7. bailey

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    Bute was a great win for Froch, but no greater than Kesslers win over Froch.
    Pascal was not a top LHW and not as good a win as say Siaca for Kessler who was a SMW champ.
    Groves, who I like alot, was British level. That doesnt mean he cant go on or couldnt fight above that level, but that was where he was up to at that time and had shown vulnerability against Anderson.
    I would then add Kesslers other victories over other SMW champs and struggle to see how someone could rate Frochs SMW resume higher other than it being more well known
     
  8. bailey

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    I agree but not because Kessler beat Froch but for overall SMW competition
     
  9. bailey

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    Are you just trying to copy bits off other posters on here?

    Not sure what you are waffling on about here, but what SMW pedigree does Pascal have?
    Do you rate Frochs win over Bute above Kesslers over Froch?
     
  10. AnotherFan

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    Yeah, but how many? Lucian Bute and ... and ...? Jean Pascal moved on to become a title holder and got a win over Chad Dawson, so that's a good win as well. But Mikkel Kessler beating Froch is still better than Froch beating Bute and Pascal.

    The other "world level" fighters Froch defeated were an ancient Glen Johnson and Arthur Abraham who is a good fighter, but did poorly at SMW. I think Kessler beating up a couple of decent Eurobums topples Frochs win over Abraham, who was arguable an Eurobum himself.
     
  11. bailey

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  12. Phil_Ivey_76

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    Agreed
     
  13. iceman71

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  14. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People can say what they want about Bute, but he successfully defended his title 10 times. He offered to fight Ward in Oakland, Ward refused. People had him P4P top 10 prior to the fight. Because Froch absolutely annihilated him, people would say he was exposed.

    Beside from the Froch victory, Kessler's resume is actually thin compared to Froch's. Carl has done a lot of better things and bailey honestly a lot of those W's Kessler had was euro level or world contender.

    One would argue that Kessler beat a prime Froch. But they both met when they were old and Froch has been in way more wars, so you could say prior to the rematch that Froch was more shot than Kessler.

    Besides Pascal was the main man at LWH after he beat Dawson.
     
  15. bailey

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    I agree Bute was a good SMW and a top win for Froch, but it is no better than Kesslers win over undefeated Froch.
    You say some of Kesslers wins are Euro level as you put it, but what was British champ Groves?
    What was G Johnson?
    Kessler beat fighters who have done something at SMW. What has Pascal done at SMW.
    Break down Frochs best wins and compare them to Kesslers. I think you will find that many of Kesslers wins like Froch, Beyer, Mundine, Siaca who were all SMW champs are better and more accomplished at the weight than Groves, Pascal, Dirrell, Johnson etc