Where is Freddie Roach?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lightsoutoli, May 23, 2015.


  1. The_Ikon

    The_Ikon Active Member Full Member

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    Ggg is s smarter better boxer than Manny... Manny doesn't know how to box and utilize ring smarts... he can't adjust... that's why he will always lose to Floyd.

    Ggg is the future if he can take the next step and be successful. But it's going to be hard... but I'm interested.
     
  2. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, obviously, which is why Roach's gameplan was so farcical... everybody knows Floyd fights cautiously to gather points taking the least risks possible, he was right infront of Manny most of the fight and he wasn't on his bike, he just doesn't exchange nor does he get hit, yet he wins the rounds so he was doing something right. Manny's first excuse; 'he ran and didn't let me hit him'... come on, five years of planning for that?:patsch
     
  3. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
     
  4. The_Ikon

    The_Ikon Active Member Full Member

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    Freddie can go to hell because if he can dish it... he can take it! There's NOTHING wrong with his mouth besides being crooked. His brain is still as mean spirited, filled with lies and bigoted as usual.

    So he's fair game too...
     
  5. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man I hope you dont get a debilitating disease like Parkinsons. Classless fu(k.
     
  6. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he prob deserves to get something like parkinson's or MS, then he can laugh at himself in the mirror when he's shaking and barely able to move. Karma is a b i t ch
     
  7. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :ibutt <== Freddie, "Manny is going to knock Floyd out"

    Freddie "Classy" Roach, "F**ING dirty Mexicans". You guys were defending him when he said that! MarkQ remembers.
     
  8. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need to make fun of the guy's inability to control his tremors, he talks some smack and that's fine territory to mock but not the physical ailments, he's achieved a goldmine in the sport and whilst not the greatest of fighters, he deserves respect for that punishing career, he's forgot more than any of us will ever know a tenth of.
     
  9. abuffy

    abuffy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearing Freddie in the corner, he was saying the right things but Pacquiao couldn't execute. Use footwork, use your in and out, throw the right hook. He was saying the right things, but maybe he wasn't using enough urgency. Sr. in Floyd's corner was much better. He straight up was ****ed, telling Floyd, "I don't know what's wrong with you man. You haven't thrown the left hook yet. They're going to take this fight away from you." He was so mad! But it pushed Floyd, and that's what he needed.

    I felt boxing Mayweather was a bad idea. Manny CAN box Floyd, and I don't think anyone has boxed Mayweather as well as he did; however, doing that wouldn't win him the close rounds, and it didn't.

    I felt Pacquiao was way too unaggressive and didn't take enough risks in this fight. Pacquiao claims it was because he was in too much pain and couldn't put together the combinations when he couldn't use his right the way he wanted, etc. I don't really care. Regardless, he was too unaggressive, and that was his undoing.

    If I could fault Roach on the biggest mistake, it was coming in at 152. Idiotic. You don't bring in your fighter at the heaviest weight of his career when his foot speed and lateral movement ultimately make or break the fight. The reason I think he did this was because the day before, he found out Mayweather was using "the smallest grant gloves I've ever seen". Roach then and there decided Mayweather was going for a KO in the early rounds. That may have influenced him in having Manny put on so much weight. Boy was he wrong.
     
  10. glovesofcrimson

    glovesofcrimson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I really think Roach was trying to surprise Mayweather by doing the last thing he expected, well Maidana did what everyone knew he was going to do and he had his successes, no use overcomplicating anything with floyd because it won't work. You cannot out-think the guy, he's like playing chess against the computer on level 10, he needs distracting and pressuring and then you can try a few tricks. Even if you catch him he's not hit by that same shot again.
     
  11. The_Ikon

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    Originally Posted by*markq:
    He's buying Stephen A Smith shoes from their bet. With his head vibrating so much he can't read the shoe size. He asked Pac for help but he can't read. Pac is still learning checkboxes. It's going to be a while before we hear from Freddie."

    I tried not to laugh... but :lol: I apologize
     
  12. The_Ikon

    The_Ikon Active Member Full Member

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    this
     
  13. Typhoon

    Typhoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree on his ring IQ. Floyd is undoubtedly a smart, cautious fighter but it's his physical skills that allow him to do what he does. He's fast, he has length and he's supremely athletic. I completely admit that he is very skilled. My problem is that he uses these advantages to make fights uneventful, rather than using these skills to fight. He basically uses his length to fight on the outside, his movement to run/duck and avoid getting hit and his speed to counter, without doing much damage. He wins fights where by the end, you are wondering what did he do? did he do much to win? I mean, Floyd won his 3 biggest fights by doing little. Against DLH, he did little; against Canelo, he did little and against Pac, he almost did nothing. People claim 'he's so good that he can beat opponents without doing much' but that's totally wrong take. Basically, Floyd's strategy is to make fights as inactive as possible. The less action, the better his chances. Why? because he knows how judges will score the fight and that the burden is on the opponent to do do more than him, to win. Floyd will win all closely contested rounds, period. Floyd also uses the illusion of control, by making opponents miss and look frustrated. This obviously takes skill but he shouldn't win rounds unless he lands more punches. Merely making opponents look silly shouldn't win him rounds.

    Maidana's coach, Robert Garcia, knew all of this going in. He knew that Floyd would win all close rounds, he knew Floyd would run and make fight boring so he basically told Maidana to brawl and brawl. The problem was that Maidana lacked the skills, he had the strategy though. Pac had the skills, just was either hurt or/and employed bad strategy.

    I know Floyd has a lot of skills but what i hate is how he wins by deliberately not fighting, he 'boxes'. The key for opponents is #1 to make him fight (hard to do) and then #2 beat him once you force him to fight. If you can't make him fight, you can't move on to step #2. It's a two step process to beat him...

    Mosely made Floyd fight, by hurting him. Mosely just couldn't beat him after he made him fight.
     
  14. Ilesey

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    On the throne having a turd.
     
  15. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    He has done many interviews, including some regarding Cotto. You're just too busy delivering pizzas to know about it.