Archie Moore W 10 Nino Valdes 1953

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with you klompton,..I think it was Rocky's best performace...his style had evolved to this...a patient, more methodical, "wear 'em down" type style...he was relentless.
     
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    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Archie was a great heavyweight contender who held the LH title. Until Sadd Muhammad came along every LH champ was also a heavyweight because they all fought and beat heavyweights. They fought them beat them and joined them. The LH title was practically a springboard within the HW division for the ones that could make 175lb .
     
  3. Nighttrain

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    Archie was a subtle brawling genius!

    Anyone know what the odds were for this fight?
     
  4. mcvey

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    I don't think Moore was a great heavyweight. Show me one respected list that has him on its ATG top 20?
     
  5. mcvey

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    Foster did not have the physique to deal successfully with the top heavyweights. That in no way detracts from
    his standing as a great lightheavy, it's just how it was.
     
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    Yup, he wore him down with incessant grinding, as Moore himself said.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    He also flattened Rex Layne and Jersey Joe Walcott with 1 punch
     
  8. mcvey

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    Layne was systematically broken down before he was ko'd he was not in top shape and he never had the defence to cope with Marciano's shots. I believe Walcott could have gotten up. Marciano's other top stoppage wins were the result of a systematic grinding and battering .
    A year after being worn down by Marciano, Moore was taken out with one left hook by Patterson.
     
  9. choklab

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    Top 20 ATG is going a bit strong. With all the history we have had there proberbly is not room in top 20 heavyweight champions for Archie and why should there be? Archie was a HW contender not a HW champion.

    But Moore was an outstanding heavyweight contender in his own right from about 1952-1958. He even beat rated heavyweights in 1962 as well. As far as HW contenders go Archie was a great one.

    Eddie Machen won't make top 20 ATG heavyweight status either but Eddie was an outstanding heavyweight ATG contender.
     
  10. mcvey

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    That's your opinion, I don't see Moore as a great heavyweight .We obviously have different ideas about what constitutes great.
     
  11. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Does anyone know who was favored in this fight?
     
  12. red cobra

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    His best, and his most evolved performance stylewise.