Proof of Tyson's brilliant skills, ring intelligence from 1985-88

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  1. DrBanzai

    DrBanzai Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson fought in the worst era of heavy weight boxing, once the competition got good he lost. yes he was exciting against nobody's, best tomato can smasher of all time, but that was all he was.
     
  2. Savak

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    You have as usual proven to be a loyal Lenni Chinny Cant take a punch to the face Lewi Nuthugger. Let me correct you first on the actual Lewis/Tyson bout, Tyson never hit Lewi on the chin, his best shot on Lewi was the left hook in the first round that also on the body. This was a horribly shot tyson with no fitness, out of gas, no speed, no footwork.

    Lewis in 2002 was in his prime under Steward, i found nothing different in his performance from 1997 to 2002 in terms of his skill set and the things he could do in the ring. He himself has stated in an interview that he had never trained as hard in his life for any fight as he did for the Tyson fight.

    Yes i agree Lenni's best chance of victory over a Prime version of Tyson was the exact strategy he used in their actual encounter in 2002. But you are discounting so many tools and dimensions Tyson had back then. Speed ofcourse you mentioned in his hands, Foot speed, he was an expert at cutting off the ring, any fighter who danced he followed them well, you have neglected to mention his fast head movement which means Lewi is going to miss a lot of his jabs and right hands, his counter punching abilities, abilities to deliver fast and furious combinations to the body and then to the head.

    Tyson in the actual encounter when he was so shot, fat, unfit showed he had a monstor chin, which proves even if Lewi connects in a prime to prime encounter, it is not going to phase Tyson and is not going to prevent him from coming forward. A prime Tyson is sure as hell going to slip, bob and weave after a Lewi jab and race in on the inside of Lewi before he even knows it. A prime Tyson will use many awkward angles too.

    It took Lewi 167 hard punches, a push and Tyson being exhausted to finally floor him. Can Lewi take even 10-20% of those punches? I doubt it. I have to favor Tyson here and it is a fact that Lewi has been floored twice due to single shots to the face.

    You have an obsession with demeaning Vitali (which proves your Lenni chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi nuthuggury as you pretent to be an impartial neutral boxing fan and then launch irrelevant unnecessary cheap attacks on Vitali all in the desperation to defend Lenni Chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi), FYI i could care less, i dont care about Vitali so yeah even if Mccall and Rahman are better fighters than him. Here is the Fact, Lenni chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi got knocked out like a helpless girl by singles shots to the face, not once but twice.

    Now go ahead and write a philosophical paragraph about how anyone in the heavy weight division can end things with one punch, how just having an awesome chin is not good enough blah blah.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

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    ^well your babbling post forced me to once again watch the Lewis - Tyson fight. I had forgotten just how one sided it was, with Lewis landing uppercuts at will.

    But poor old Tyson won the first round so he must have landed something. And Tyson clearly hit Lewis clean to the chin in the 3rd round. Tyson looks like a midget next to Lewis. Interesting enough Lewis threw a jab that cut Tyson, so he must have some get pop in that jab of his.

    I don't understand, Tyson landed good clean right hand punch in the 6th with about a minute left, but Lewis didn't go down, it makes no sense Savak.

    Funny afterwards even Tyson was praising Lewis's boxing abilities. Guess you missed that part too.
     
  4. Savak

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    More and more eternal Lenni Chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi nut huggury from you, all for the sake of such a Chinny person. Why? What is so special about this Chinny person?

    The fact that you bask in the glory of a desperately needed legacy victory for your beloved Chinny fighter speaks volumes of your desperation.

    Tyson was out of gas so early in the fight, in the first round he rushed the action and landed his left hook on Lewi's body and hence won the only round of the fight. As the rounds wore on he ran out of gas and had no power in anything he threw. The punch stats of the fight speak for themselves.

    Tyson at the end of the day is a sportsman who praises fighters who give him a tough fight and fighters who beat him fair and square as well which something your beloved Lenni Chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi can learn. You also need to remember that Tyson was in financial quagmire and desperately needed another huge pay day which a rematch with Lewi represented to get him out of debt. The entire educated boxing fraternity knows that this fight had no real meaning and took place too late as it was Lewis at his absolute best vs a Tyson at his absolute worst.

    But you as a loyal nuthugger of Leni chini cant take a punch to the face Lewi and who drops like a girl with one shot to the face as history has noted from journey men in Mcall and Rahman can bask in the glory of his irrelevant victory over a horribly shot fighter. :hi:
     
  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yet instead of praising Holyfield in their second bout Tyson decided to turn into Hannibal Lector...
     
  6. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Definition of a fukwit. SAVAK.

    Starts a thread about the so called brilliance of Tyson, and in post 14 mentions Lennox Lewis, when no one else had.
     
  7. Savak

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    FYI the likes of Foreman, Lewi and others have also called Holyfield a dirty fighter and the fact that he uses his head as his third glove. Secondly Tyson was very sporting after the first fight. Just watch the after fight press conference.
     
  8. Savak

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    So its ok for you to hint about others via mentioning the lack of competition, inability to come back from adversity, Ruddock not being good enough but i can't even mention Lenni chinny cant take a punch to the face Lewi.

    :hi:
     
  9. Azzer85

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    Ive never really rated Vitali myself.

    A **** poor resume.
    Such a high KO percentage (against mostly awful opposition).
    His whole claim to fame was basically handling Lewis until he was stopped.

    Well Frank Bruno also won the WBC title, had a high KO percentage and was also having his way with Lewis until he was stopped, does Bruno get made into a mythical monster who could beat Ali and Foreman? hell no.
     
  10. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jesse Ferguson - a journeyman Tyson stopped would be given a title shot by the oh so amazing Rid**** Bowe years later.

    Alex Stewart - demolished in one round, yet he beat the **** out of Foreman and gave Holyfield a good fight, hence why Holyfield fought him twice. He fought Moorer too.

    Clifford Ettienne - Tysons final professional victory, would go on to beat Lamont Brewster. And we all know who Brewster knocked the **** out of.

    Try to form a top ten win list for Lennox Lewis and i guarantee there will be some Tyson victims on that list (Tucker, Bruno, Ruddock, Botha, Golota, Biggs), including Tyson himself (which means his name meant something)

    Outside of the Holyfield fights, all of Bowes best wins were all Tyson leftovers. (And Tyson performed much better against all of them).

    Foreman and Tyson have 3 mutual opponents, Holyfield, Stewart and Savarese. Both of them lost to Holyfield, the other two went the distance with Foreman whereas Tyson didnt even let them see the second round.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I don't rate Vitali all that highly either, I'm merely responding to Savak's assine assertion that either the Lewis win wasn't legitimate or that he ducked a rematch. Both are incorrect.
     
  12. Savak

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    Why is the suspicion he ducked a rematch not justified? After the Tyson fight, he mentions in many interviews and press conferences he is fighting as best as ever and wants to fight for 2-3 more years. Before the Vitali fight he echoes the same sentiments but after the Vitali fight he retires?

    Sounds pretty suspicious to me.
     
  13. Azzer85

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    All fighters always say 'im in the best shape of my life'. Roy Jones still says stuff like that!

    What the Vitali fight did to Lewis was give him a wake up call and tell him its time to get out, or end up like Tyson, Holyfield and Roy Jones, all guys who Lewis shared the era with. In 04 Holyfield was on a three loss streak, as was Jones (2 of those KOs) and of course Tyson was Kod by Williams, all in the same year Lewis decided to retire.
     
  14. Vanboxingfan

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    The reason it's not suspicious is because he retired. Had he gave up his belt and went on to fight others, you'd have a point.

    But the man retired, and anyone at 37 has that right without fans second guessing their decision.

    I've never seconded guessed ANY boxers decision to get out of the game, it's far too dangerous of a sport to hang on any longer than you feel that you should.
     
  15. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Yeah, I suppose if you are happy to bring a guy into the thread KO - 8 over Tyson, then that's cool. Don't EVER forget loser, KO - 8, no feeble excuses, no crying like a schoolgirl, KO - 8, just get in your head until it makes you sick, KO - 8.

    Just in case you forget.




    Not TKO - 8.




    but









    KO - 8

    :hi: