Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Mayorga is from Nicaragua, Duran is from Panama, Pacquiao is from the Philippines, Golovkin is from Kazakhstan and I could mention a lot more. You can't possibly say that these guys were in a better position than someone from Wales who easily had British connections that could've done for him what they did for MANY before him if he was interested.

 

Yes Grove sis world level im not disputing that, but apart from losing to Froch he hasnt beaten a top 10 fighter, the win over Degale whilst good was early in both of their respective careers and it was close.

Now all of the fighters i listed were proven world level champions.

You must be having a laugh if you think Groves resume and what hes achieved so far is better than Woodhall, Mitchell, Brewer or Reid.

 

Froch Stops DeGale :deal

 

These two have never liked each other.

 

destroying groves is a great win twice, since groves beat degale who is title holder of one of the big titles, not a mini wbf type title.

 

Froch is a quality fighter but Calzaghe was and always will be on another level.

 

What really hurts Froch's legacy comparatively is that he had never been 'the' man in his division.

Even Calzaghe's biggest detractors - I'm looking at you Herol Gee - would have to admit that there was a period of time when he was recognised as the best fighter in his division even if the amount of time that was is disputed.

 

Back in 2008, Hopkins and Jones Jr were stars in America, while Froch was just starting to make a name for himself.

Joe was perfectly right to fight them.

He probably could have fought Carl in his last fight, but he knew it would have been a very difficult prop, especially with his chronically bad hands, and going back down 7 pounds.

And frankly, the way Carl called him out in the press was extremely disrespectful. Joe was England's most celebrated fighter at that time, having beaten all the big names, in their own backyards.

Why reward this kind of behaviour with a payday ?

 

yup.

getting the shyte beat of him yup.

7 pounds he'd had no problem meeting up to for the past 15 years BUT SUDDENLY WAS A PROBLEM NOW HE HAD A TOUGH FIGHT FOR A DEFENCE COMING UP

by this you mean he'd beaten injured Kessler and crummy banger Lacy, in Cardiff, with his own ref, and drew with robin reid in england.

"all the big name, in their own backyrds" LOL

 

The Kessler who lost to Calzaghe, beats Froch. The Hopkins who lost to Calzaghe beats Froch.

Froch is great, but Calzaghe was greater.

 

You should not assume such lies of yours are true just because you write them in a clever way.

undisputed NO, but unified YES, he was unified for a brief, undefended time when he beat Kessler but made no attempt to defend the larger crowns that wassen couldn't manipulate crummy opposition for.

The exception being the bika the tv show boxer fight for the ibf title, which scared joe so shtless that he vacated the ibf title pronto to avoid any more tough fights he might lose.

butin no way was he undisputed. He was very briefly THE MAN at smw from the time he beat Kessler to the time he vacated "kesslers old titles".
I am proud that a Brit managed that, to be fair.

 

Come on, don't cite Berrio holding Calzaghe's vacated IBF title as a reason to deny he was undisputed. I thought you better than that.

 

It doesn't matter. I believe Joe got his biggest payday vs Jones Jr ( 10 millions each ?)
The money and fame was there. Those were the right fights.

Based on what ?
Joe could adapt and beat you in any way he needed.
Froch would have come for a tearup, but his fists would have met only air.
It would have been a difficult fight, but the best Joe clowns Froch.

Not his fault Kessler came with injured right hand. Joe was probably in the same boat that night. He still bested a terrific unbeaten fighter.

And again, there's ways to get to a title shot. Carl has never known how to deal with more appreciated fighters than him.

Look at what the people close to him have reported, notably his own estranged father. The guy's missing a joint somewhere.

I reckon he just might be stupid enough to go through with the GGG beatdown.

 

Mitchell was coming off a loss to Otke when he fought Calzaghe. Brewer had 8 losses leading up to the Calzaghe fight and was hardly world level material, unless you consider anyone getting starched at world level automatically world level then the way I rank fighters is respectfully different. Woodhall was coming off a loss to Beyer. Reid, while definitely a decent fighter at very best, lost his WBC title to Malinga leading up to the Calzaghe fight. All these guys mentioned were coming off losses literally a fight or two away from facing Calzaghe. How did they get title shots is the real question.

Reid is the only fighter I would compare with Groves in terms of actual ability and in-ring competitiveness leading up to their big fights(Froch for Groves and Calzaghe for Reid). The rest you mentioned are absolute nobodies that don't even dare compare to anyone other than stiffs/tune-up quality fights on Froch's resume.

Every reasonable and logical Calzaghe fan out there already admitted that Froch's resume obliterates Calzaghe's and easily so.

 

Not the same Johnson at all. You are comparing a fit LHW world champ version of Johnson to a far older beaten several time in world title fights, 4 world title fights that I can think of, who was then boiled down to SMW. Not the same Johnson at all atsch