Calzaghe aside- who is the GOAT at 168?

How can they be failing when they cant be countered :yep.
What is failing is your poor posts. You got made to look a fool before by admitting to commenting on fighters you hadnt seen and knew nothing about

 

How was Woods considered a bigger fight and more money? Woods had lost to Starie who Calzaghe beat.
Lacy had beaten world rated Vanderpool, world rated Pemberton, Sheika who would challenge for a world title again, world rated Tsypko, world rated Reid

 

they were failed and destoryed years ago, and you stopped cutting n pasting em for a while, then when you got over the embarrassment you started again with them.

 

whoops 2 fights,
lol flop failey.

joe continued to fish the lower divisions for weaklings.

having said that Bika was one of joes best ever opponents, and he certainly wasn't bad at all, good enough to briefly fluke a title once hes got better with some years of experience, before losing it straight away.

 

Lacy wasnt champ for so many years because he met Calzaghe. Do you think Bute would have been champ for 6 years if he met Froch?
What do you consider Butes big win before Froch?

 

Why do you think the ring mag made it (Calzaghe/Lacy) for their title?

 

What does cowardzaghe mean?

 

ring bling. its the same as Hopkins ring title at LHW, not a big issue cos dawson was ruling LHW then.

lacy was not the man, Kessler was. face the facts. but credit to joe for beating injured Kessler eventually, in Cardiff. I was proud that a brit finally became the man at SMW that night.

 

Bute wouldnt have been contesting the belt atsch. It would have been Stieglitz who was then less known.
Ash gets it wrong again

 

its a nickname that some dude on youtube uses.

Or it can be used as a nickname for joe if you prefer, or even to mean a coward...but never the two at the same time. no boxer is a coward.

 

Cluttering up the floor? No there will always be a place in the ESB sewers for you to lay

 

good because I wont be using it, glad you are back on your feet now.

 

AnotherFan,

It was clear to me that he was never going to unify SMW against Ottke. I don't know the specifics, but I could never see Sven wanting to fight Joe. I think Joe would have outclassed him, even in Germany. But around this time, Joe was telling people he wanted a fight with Roy. So IMO, he should have tried to have fought a LHW to test the waters. Now theoretically, he could have wanted to have fought Hopkins to raise his profile. Maybe if the fight had happened, and he'd have won and looked good, maybe Roy and HBO would have been interested. So that could have been his thinking, if he'd genuinely have wanted Roy. But even if he'd have beaten Hopkins, I don't think he'd have gotten much credit for it at the time. But the thing is, when the Hopkins fight didn't happen, he remained at SMW. So there's lots of questions to be asked, such as:

Did he see Hopkins as a decent victory, for a decent payday, but nothing more?

Did he see Hopkins as a beatable name that could propel him to other big money fights?

Did he really want big money fights against named opposition?

When the Hopkins fight didn't happen, did he do all he could to try and fight other big names?

In my opinion, those questions are legitimate questions to ask. But they're the type of questions which can lead to you being labelled a hater etc.

Personally, I think he should have ditched SMW, and tried his luck at LHW to get himself the respect, recognition, and the money that he deserved. But the other issue, was his reluctance to fight in the U.S. at the time. I think that also held him back.

He didn't fight Jeff until 2006. Did you mean someone else?

I truly believe that the big money fights were always in reach for him, if he was willing to take a few risks and travel to the U.S. You'd have to think with Joe's looks, his heritage, and his exciting style, that he could have been marketed into a big star in the U.S. But if you read some of Frank W's old interviews, he stated that Joe was happy to just keep defending the WBO belt against whoever was available. According to Frank, he was more than happy to fight a guy called Freeman Barr. Now IMO, that had to have been true, when you look at who else he fought, and consider that a lot of those WBO title defences weren't even mandatories. So again, did he really want the best fights out there? I've personally heard him brag on numerous occasions about his number of WBO title defences. So IMO, he was more than content to fight the guys who he fought.

He gets criticised like Roy does. But that was due to frustration, and it was a testament to his great ability. If you're a fighter of average ability, your opposition isn't that important. But if you're an elite fighter, then people demand that you go out and try and fight the best fights available. Joe was simply too good to keep defending the WBO belt at SMW. When Ottke wouldn't unify, and Lacy and Kessler weren't on the scene, he should have packed his bags and left the division behind.

It's a shame it never happened and that was no fault of Joe's.

I agree, it would have been very intriguing. But I think it was possible that Joe could have found himself in a no win position, unless a clear win would have opened other doors for him.


:good

 

Who on youtube?
So its a made up name by yourself that means coward? but can also mean Joe but not at the same time :nut.
Yep that clears up how pathetic Herol / Eric is

 

a Zaggers thread gets made 2 days ago

already 200+ posts

No doubt about it, Zaggers is the Undisputed GOAT of ESB