How i beat Mike Tyson: Lennox Lewis

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Physically Tyson looked almost 100% for Holyfield 2.
    He showed a lot of flashes of "vintage Tyson" before he went bite-crazy.

    Mentally he was obviously unprepared.
     
  2. Bokaj

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    The Golota win alone would be enough for many to get a shot.

    Often in this subject people talk like cleaning out a division is the only honorable way to get a title shot. But the truth is that aside from Louis, Liston and Ali (1974) very few have gone this route.

    Tyson's first title shot materialized with a pretty close win over Tillis as the standout victory. Holyfield's was over an old Dokes, Bowe's over an old Tubbs, Foreman's... an old Chuvalo? Losing to Morrison?

    Lewis had already defended his title against Botha and Golota, that Tyson had beat, as well as a certain Mavrovic. But Tyson didn't belong in this company? Nonsense.

    I can accept that he no longer posed a challenge big enough to merit the gate and hype, but to say that he stands out poorly among Lewis's challengers holds no water whatsoever.
     
  3. red cobra

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    Tell it like it was LL!!
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

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    There were three points the guy made that I have some disagreement with.

    1. I know Tyson won the first round, but to me the real winner of the first round from a strategic point of view was Lewis. After all, it was Tyson who was hurt after that round from one of those 3-4 uppercuts that landed, and he was the fighter who intimated his opponent, so I always find it strange when people use the first round of their actual fight to bolster Tyson, to me it bolster's Lewis more than it does Tyson.

    2. The guy in the video said a prime Tyson was stronger than Lewis. At no point in their careers do I think Tyson every had the strength advantage. Speed advantage, yes, but not strength.

    3. He used prime Tyson's fight against Spinks as part of his argument that Tyson would beat Lewis. But I think there's a variety of faults in using that fight. For one, Spinks was scared ****less of Tyson even before the bell rang. So Tyson was fighting a scared fighter. Secondly, Spinks was a lot small and had a lot less power than Lewis so, I really don't see how that fight can be used as a gauge in any circumstance.

    Having said all that he could be right about the end result. Like I said, I sort of view it as a 50/50 fight personally. If Tyson can get inside and hurt Lewis, he likely wins, if Lewis can punish Tyson enough to take any his will to want to come inside, than I think he wins.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    I'm certainly not arguing that Golota deserves his shot at Lewis !

    Botha was acknowledged as a "filler" defence by the Lewis camp, no one argued that he'd earned it either.
     
  6. Bokaj

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    What? He said prime Tyson was stronger than Lewis?! Prime Tyson, that was shy of 220 lbs in most cases and didn't lift weights, wasn't as strong as the old Tyson, who was bigger and did lift weights, I believe. And that Tyson in turn clearly wasn't as strong as the bigger Lewis.

    And to compare Lewis with Spinks... That's all credibility out the window.

    But, sure, prime for prime Tyson could have won. Hard one to call, imo.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    No just no, sorry McCline would outbox Tyson? :lol:
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    The Golota win was almost 2 years before The Lewis fight...you might as well big up the Ruddock wins earning him his shot at Lewis.

    And yeah, Botha did not deserve a shot either, busy fight.

    I think both were forgivable had Lewis been busier and met more actual contenders at this time.
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    In this time, Byrd beat Tua. John Ruiz bear and dropped Holyfield, Holyfield beat Rahman, Wlad beat Mccline and Byrd, Mccline sparked Grant and beat up Briggs,but...Tyson a year out of the sport is top 2.... In drawing power only.
     
  10. Big Ukrainian

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    In 2002, yes. Remember, just 2 years later one guy named Danny Williams knocked out Mike in less than 4 rounds.
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    I also think Mccline beats him.

    Of the early 00 contenders, Tyson best hope is against Grant, Oleg, and Rahman. I wouldn't bet the house either.
     
  12. PowerPuncher

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    No if your eyes don't tell you McCline was a bum, then you don't have boxing eyes.

    Danny Williams was way better than McCline anyway
     
  13. Big Ukrainian

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    McCline wasn't great but he wasn't a bum either, he beat Grant (former top-10 ring HW), Whitaker (at the time top-10) and Briggs (top-10, too).

    Even without Jameel the list of HWs who would've beaten 2002 Mike Tyson was too long

    Oh, I forgot, Danny Williams KOs 2002 Tyson, too :good
     
  14. VVMM

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    I agree Tyson didn't deserve the title fight- like the bad version McCall- i think Tyson was a sick,mental collapsed drug freak without motivation, skill and stamina at the time.He looked like a zombie.
    But i think he hadn't puncher's chance (Where was his chance
    against McBride or D. Williams ?)
     
  15. VVMM

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    And maybe he's stamina wasn't good at all.
    What does it mean "Tyson looked almost 100% for Holyfield 2" ?
    This isn't bodybuilding.The ripped muscular body is useless without
    stamina.