Calzaghe aside- who is the GOAT at 168?

And I have asked you twice, previously, but also in this very thread to answer this question which you have failed to do.

Now Herol / Eric, please answer the question posed to you, and I will then answer your question

 

If we are to believe Roys father, it says something about Roys belief in himself that he thought he could beat Johnson without preparation. He must really have felt unbeatable during his career :huh

What impresses me about Calzaghes win over Hopkins and Roy was that he was able to keep a straight face about it. He actually did a number on two faded, American ATG's and acted like it was the real thing, calling himself "legend killer" and all. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't be able to help myself from smiling and laughing during interviews. I would have a grin like the ones you normally only see in cartoons :yep

The win over Hopkins showed out to have some genuine value after all, but that was purely accidental. And like I wrote before, while Roy wasn't his old self anymore, he had only lost to two really good fighters previously. It seemed like Roy would still be able to put up a fight. I label Calzaghes win over Roy as a bit above decent, all things considered. Borderline good, even.

 

Its amazing how similar the Calzaghe stoppage of Manfredo is to the stoppages Manfredo suffered against Bika and Chavez Jnr.

 

Some of those stoppages were terrible lol

 

Possibly saved many a fighter

 

What do you think about GGG's like 14 defenses of his WBA title. Almost surpassing Monzon's 14, gone past Haglers 10+ and may even end up doing better than Hopkins 20.

Fighters have bad days, from the list in the poll we see:-

Froch struggled with Groves, Dirrell
Ward struggled with Boone and Bika.
Eubank struggled with Malinga

But they still have clearly dominated or even destroyed high level operators like:-

Froch knocked out Bute, Groves and clearly (120-108) beat Abraham...
Ward knocked out Dawson, clearly beat Froch....
Eubank clearly outboxed Rocchigiani.....

Now do this with Ottke:-

Ottke struggled with Mads Larrsen, Glen Johnson, Charles Brewer twice, Byron Mitchell, Robin Reid, Tate 1 ....

But he still clearly dominated or even destroyed high level operators like? :huh

Knocked out novice Mundine.:think

No other SMW in this poll has struggled as much as Ottke has during title defenses and all other SMW's in this poll have dominated/destroyed a high level operator or two in a title fight.

Ottke is only really rated for his longevity or s****e by wins.

 

Spot the differences.


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AnotherFan,

I think big Roy meant that he trained, but his mind was somewhere else. He definitely had a camp.

Joe made himself look silly in the build up. In an 18 month period leading up to the fight, he'd said on three separate occasions that Roy was past his best and that the fight would be pointless. He mentioned it once in his autobiography, and twice through the media. Then when a journalist made a reference to the comments in his autobiography, Joe admitted that he'd said it, but went on to say that Roy was now back to his best. It was laughable. He deserves zero credit for the win. Kelly Pavlik was the fight that Frank W had wanted just before their split, and Frank told him to forget about Roy. Pavlik was the bigger fight, and he'd have got a ton of respect, due to his age, and Pavlik's popularity. I think Joe would have beaten him easily. But Joe claimed that Pavlik hadn't done anything to warrant a fight, (as though Roy had) before bizarrely admitting that they'd offered Pavlik a fight two years earlier, after he'd beaten Lacy, when Pavlik was an NABF champion. So he wasn't good enough in 2008, yet he was in 2006. These are examples why I don't respect him as a person.

Again, boxing is defined by levels and the timing of the fights. If Roy couldn't beat Tarver and Johnson at 35 and 36, what realistic chance did he have of beating Joe at almost 40? He only had a small punchers chance. Look at the Tito fight. It was evident that he could no longer operate at the highest level.

There's three things that Joe could have given the fans.

1. A Kelly Pavlik fight.

2. A Chad Dawson fight.

3. A Roy Jones fight, but with some honesty.

In the end, he gave us the fight with Roy, but he tried to kid people that it was a great win. But even worse than that, was the showboating. He stuck his chin out in front of a guy who he had zero respect for. Yet 5 years earlier, he'd spoke of how he'd have needed the 'Crown Jewels' due to the element of risk involved.

Seriously, how could anyone respect that? Showboating against a faded fighter, who he wanted nothing to do with while he was prime?

He deserves the criticism that he gets.


Anyway, I'm off on holiday for two weeks now mate, but I'll reply as soon as I get back.


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Technically/possibly Manfredo had a chance of winning against Calzaghe also, so that really isn't a difference.

 

Ok.

Here is how it works, Loudon: If you're a nice guy, you don't become a boxer. It can even help to have a screw loose. I don't think the way Calzaghe did business with regards to his fight with Roy is much to get upset about. He was bull****ting around and showboating, and that makes him a saint compared with many of his peers. I personally think the whole affair was hilarious and I can assure you Roy didn't mind the payday.

It's hard to argue that a fight against Kelly Pavlik hadn't been more relevant. I think Calzaghe would have outboxed Pavlik similar to how he did Kessler, but I think he would have taken less punches in the process. Pavlik was a straight forward boxer and he belonged at MW. Calzaghe may very well be a natural LHW.

Enjoy your holiday.

 

On behalf of ESB I would like to welcome you Mr Ottke to this humbled forum, no doubt you was a great Super Middleweight boxer. We at Boxingforum24 are honored and privileged to even be in the presence of a living legend such as yourself. Welcome Sven.

 

A lot of VCash was lost betting on Robin Reid to beat Sven Ottke.