Cotto-Canelo is the biggest fight to be made in boxing, GGG can wait!

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  1. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should Cotto drop his belt if the WBC isn't making him? I don't see the logic in that move.
     
  2. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if Cotto beats Geale, the Canelo fight will be held at Cottoweight.

    If Geale wins, Cotto will cite weight issues and move up (down?) to Caneloweight.
     
  3. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    That's the problem: WBC is corrupt and there's no incentive for Cotto to drop it.

    But nothing is free...this makes the belt essentially worthless. WBC and Cotto are devaluing the belt with their lust for money.
     
  4. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It"s strange, here you have many "fans" who don't want to support the sport by having Cotto fight fights they themselves feel are competitive in Geale and Canelo. Instead they want to see what they feel is the uncompetitive match in fighting three G...that is some of the most backward thinking ever. And the only reason they have as to why is so that three G can have the belt that is "rightfully his" yeah great, then what, he goes back to what he was doing before fighting mismatches but now supposedly it has meaning because they're defenses...what a bunch b.s. So essentially they want to destroy a huge fight (Cotto Canelo) destroy a huge star (Cotto) just so they can watch three G slowly destroy himself with uncompetitive fights.

    Herein is where the truly biggest problem in boxing lies, uneducated fans who think they what's good for the sport, think they know what we should be seeing, and think they know how much credit a fighter should get for said fight, it's continually wrong time and time again and it's a huge problem. It's all because they skew perception when they think anything other than what the only important thing is to consider for all sports, which is, is it competitive and how much so?
     
  5. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where you are missing the mark, is you are neglecting the 160lb championship.

    People who are giving Cotto grief typically would want one of two things to happen

    a) Fight GGG
    b) relinquish belt and disown 160lb claims

    If Cotto stopped calling himself the Champ at 160lbs, never ever fighting GGG becomes 100% acceptable.

    Honestly what this boils down to, and people are missing, is this is just another side-effect of the Mayweather garbage train. He doesn't defend his 154lb Championship, and no one calls him on it.

    Because really, that's what Cotto-Canelo should be - a 154 pound fight and in that case no reasonable fan would give either any grief over not fighting someone at 160lbs let alone not fighting the best at 160.
     
  6. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why the hell should Cotto stop calling himself the champ? He is in fact the champ. If Golovkin doesn't want to wait his turn, he can always move up in weight and go after the champ there. You can try to blame Mayweather all you want, but he has nothing to do with this and he's made it pretty clear anyway that he's a WW.
     
  7. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    so what? thats what voluntary means dude! man i cant believe ppl dont understand
     
  8. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    :deal:deal
     
  9. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he does not act like a champ, and it is GGG's turn that's why.

    And you are correct Mayweather is a WW. So he should not be hanging on to 154lb titles. Bottom line is pretty simple - for boxing to work as a sport and not just a business, titles and championships need to be defended against the best sporting opponents in the division.

    There is no shame for someone to relinquish titles or claims over a division they have no intent on fighting in.
     
  10. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem is not the Geale fight, its having already made it clear that he is not taking his mandatory afterwards even if he wins.
     
  11. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    I agree with almost everything you said.

    Only thing i say is i think Cotto-GGG is very competitive. only because i havent seen GGG fight anybody truly world class. not his fault but until then i dont know if he can handle Cotto. size dont win fights
     
  12. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    but why should he drop the belt???

    So you telling me everytime a boxer moves up he should never fight for a title is what your saying?? or if your a champ you should never fight anybody below your weight??

    WHAT KIND OF DUMB S**T IS THAT!!! :patsch:patsch:patsch

    so Froch shouldnt fight GGG because hes not in his weight class...right..
     
  13. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is clearly not what he was saying, he was simply taking it as a given that Cotto is not going to fight his mandatory at 160lbs.

    Again, if Cotto doesn't want to defend against GGG then don't hang onto title. If he is not 160lb champ he has no sporting obligation to fight mandatories or anyone at 160lbs.
     
  14. jonze86

    jonze86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think regardless of the Cotto/Geale winner,they need to create another weightclass.is Canelo still JMW 154pound beltholder?they can maybe create new junior middleweight division maybe 156?and regardless of the result,loser was probably drained or either dragged up in the weight.

    And winner gets to fight against himself Floyd Mayweather.and in best scenario,there are 4division lineal belts in the line.fight will be at TBEweight.(if Floyd fights Garcia,and his belt at TBEweight)
     
  15. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's obviously not Golovkin's turn as he is not in line for that fight this year. In Canelo, Cotto would be taking on a legit threat in a fight that a lot of people would want to see. That is acting like a champ.

    That's the fault of the WBC and WBA. They should strip him if they don't think he's defending his titles often enough.

    That's simply false. For the sport to work, you have to put on fights that the fans want to see. The fans want to see Cotto vs. Canelo. Golovkin is just like both of those as he wants to get paid, that's why he and his team keep talking about a fight with the WW champ. Golovkin has no choice but to wait his turn. He simply does not offer Cotto a higher financial reward than Canelo. He needs to just stay active, keep winning, keep pushing for the fights he wants and hope that he can eventually get those fights.
    There is no shame for someone to relinquish titles or claims over a division they have no intent on fighting in.[/quote]