Cotto-Canelo is the biggest fight to be made in boxing, GGG can wait!

You can try to twist it all you want, but the fact still remains that the WBC gave its blessing for Cotto-Canelo to happen first. The WBC wants the biggest fights. That's Cotto-Canelo and the winner taking on Golovkin. That may not happen, but they are not going to stand in the way of Cotto-Canelo being made.

Never did I say he wasn't the mandatory, I said it wasn't his turn as he is not in line for a shot at The WBC belt this year.

Again, never did I say he wasn't the mandatory. However, the fact that the WBC is telling Golovkin fall back while Cotto vs Canelo happens is a very clear indication that it isn't Golovkin's turn.

Filling the 5,000 seat MSG theatre has nothing to do with being a PPV draw. JuanMa used to sell out that theatre.

Being a B-side on ppv is better than being a no side on ppv ever.

He's still not putting up big numbers at the gate; definitely not enough to project a fight between he and Cotto reaching 500K buys. If you really want to argue that Cotto would make as much money against Golovkin than he would against Canelo, go right ahead. I simply don't see that being the case right now.

 

the fact that you are defending the bs with ducking a mandantory for years on end is sad ****.

 

Is Canelo a legit threat to Cotto? Is Canelo vs Cotto a bigger fight? Would Golovkin turn down a fight with Cotto to take on Mayweather instead? The answer to all three questions is yes. What's really sad and mind boggling is that you would be against a fight that would be competitive, exciting, and a fight that the fans want to see. I don't begrudge people doing things that make sense. Some people expect fighters to make decisions that make no sense. And Golovkin has not been a mandatory years on end, it's been less than a year.

 

Um, I did not twist anything. You are the one jumping through hoops and using some pretty interesting language interpretation.

What part of "we are trying to negotiate a deal" equates to blessing the fight without buy-in from K2? Because to date, the last firm statement by the WBC on the matter had that as a requirement. You can use Google as well as anyone I am sure.

Whether that changes or a deal is reached is open to speculation, but for now that's how things stand.

As I predicted a year ago, and Loeffler said recently - if they can secure a written agreement from both parties to face winner they will step-aside. However the Cotto and Canelo parties have both been reluctant to do so, hence the new round of disdain. Moreso for Cotto since he is ostensibly the champ.

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As far as the rest of what you said, the only things we can reliably say are that Cotto-GGG is much bigger than Cotto- Martinez, and Cotto-Canelo is again significantly larger than that.

Anything else is pretty much baseless.

Also - I said that we don't know that Cotto would actually make a lot more money with Canelo. Because we don't know. I actually think Cotto would make more money with Canelo, just not by a huge margin all things considered. 50% vs 80% split is huge, and Cotto would likely be the beneficiary of all the side money from every televised market but Kazakhstan. (Mexico was an example, the fight would be broadcast all over and it adds up)

But again , we don't know anything for sure.

But if you do not think gate draw is the baseline metric for PPV viability I don't know what else to say. Obviously there are other factors, B-side credibility being a major one. Fans of the A-side are more likely to buy a fight if the B-side brings an air of danger and excitement to the table. But obviously GGG outstrips a 40yr old Martinez in that department as well.

 

So you think Cotto should be jumping through your hoops as if your hater opinions matter to him? Instead of getting irate because what you want to happen doesn't happen, why don't you just try and understand why what is happening, happening? You keep continually acting as if there is only one right way to look at this and it's your way, which is obviously not true.

Fact is we are headed toward a better outcome all the way around if Cotto beats Geale because it's then followed up by the huge Cotto Canelo, which then makes winner of Cotto Canelo even bigger for a three G fight. Going by your own logic, what you want to happen makes no sense. You want three G Cotto to happen which you believe is not even competitive so there's a dud of a fight there, again, by your own logic, then you want to kill the far bigger Cotto Canelo...and yet this is what makes sense to you and the only thing that makes sense..wow.

 

All this back and forth comments are a waste of time because its almost certain that the winner of canelo-cotto WILL face ggg. I think the winner will have enough confidence to face him and theres no way around that fight either

 

Golovkin knocked Geale out in the 3rd round and now Cotto is fighting Geale at a catch weight?! No title should be on the line here. Golovkin is Cotto's mandatory, so Cotto will give up his title rather than fight Golovkin.......................

 

Who says it's just about him facing the #2 contender? The problem is people holding onto the stupid "custom" of lineal titles and delude themselves into believing things that are just blatantly false. Cotto is the "best" middleweight purely on tradition, anybody with a modicum of common sense though knows that simply isn't the case.

He lucked out, he beat a shot, injured fighter. If he keeps beating top 10 middleweights to build a resume that is more impressive than GGG, I'll have no problems with him being ahead in the rankings, all he did though is beat a completely gone version of Sergio and suddenly he's the best middleweight. It's ridiculous.

Similar situation is at LHW, I think Kovalev should be number 1 based on who he beat and the titles he holds but nop, Stevenson is, PURELY because of linealship.

 

GGG is the mando, Canelo is the one who should wait.
GGG fought an eliminator last year and paid belt fees in 3 fights now (Rubio, Murray and Monroe Jr)

And can you please stop speculating that winner of Cotto-Canelo will fight GGG, are you sure? That's pure speculation and nobody knows what will happen.

But we ALL know what should happen and it's GGG not waiting until 2016 to get his shot at the title.

 

Let me ask you Martinez "was obviously injured" ragers something. If Martinez was so obviously injured from the moment he stepped in the ring...then why was he so damn aggressive, how many obviously injured fighters have you seen that were as aggressive as he??

 

Just Hand the WBC belt over to GGG and you can do what ever you want Cotto :hi:

 

Yup exactly does geale get to pick a foe if he beats cotto? No oh that's right.thats ok GGG is angry now and will go and beat up froch.

 

100% spot on...

 

100% true , and thats what makes it so sad , Cotto bought the title and now all the real MW`s just sit there praying that geale wins and bring it back to their sights again..... Cotto should just vacate and go fight Canelo , they both in it for the money only and they dont really care about belts , i guess cotto just want to tempt Mayweather with it..... :roll:

 

Do you love the sport of boxing ? or you love seeing the biggest paydays happen on the expense of the hardworking up and comers ? your logic is flawed in so many ways , ill tell you why , because if the sport continues in this way the amount of new talent and up and comers will diminish greatly and the ones that do get to the top will only be from established promotion teams , if a guy cant get a title shot by winning in the ring then this sport is dead..... just dead , its hard even today to go through the rankings , you shoulndt encourage it more.
I dont mind Cotto fighthing Canelo after geale IF cotto vacates , then he can do what he wants and you will be happy because the fight gets made , ton of money and we the fans are happy as well because GGG will get his shot and we can go on with big unification fights in the MW division.
Try , for one second to look at this all thing as a sport of MANY fighters who try to climb to the top and not just the sport of the fan favorites , ranking and challangers and mandos are important.
there is a place for those Mega fights you are talking about , they are called Voluntaries or just regular non title fights.