Rocky Marciano In The 70's?

I really don't see the point of your post, unless it is to show people who might not already know, that you believe Rocky Marciano was some kind of modern day god.

Why else would you name 5 other fighters ( in an attempt to dispute Foreman brutalising Marciano easily ) all of which dwarf Marciano, and none of which he fought?

It makes no sense.

 

Effortlessly.

The guy is even more over rated than Tyson, and that takes some doing.

Sadly the people that are trying to tell everyone that he was the best ever ( or very close to it ) end up sounding like those snake oil salesmen you see in old westerns.

 

Imagine a late 40s 1950s HW division where Old Louis, Elmer Ray, Baksi, Valdez, Baker, Hoff, Williams, Liston, Holman, and the like exclusively only fought each other and other 200 plus guys...no little men to beat them...a smaller talent pool...only other giants to fight

 

The prime Foreman was far from a God like many of you youngsters believe. The first quality guy that Foreman was a tarnished Frazier (who never landed anything). Quarry wanted him badly. If you look at Lyle's record you can see he was no elite puncher but he had Foreman on the floor and wobbling, he ko'd by Ali and Young had him down. He learned a lot from Archie in his comeback on defense and saving energy but the prime version does not get an award for his chin and the old version was only able to survive.

 

I know, the mind boggles.atsch

 

How can you accuse people of giving godlike status to the likes of Ali and Foreman and then go and do exactly the same thing with Rocky?

Surely if anyone can be accused of wrongly bestowing the godlike monikor upon anyone it is you and Rockyjim who are the guilty parties as i have never seen either of you favour ANY opponent over Marciano.

I try to keep out of these Marciano threads for obvious reasons but sometimes it all gets too far fetched and becomes nonsense.

I just watched that first round of the Walcott fight and if that had been '88 Tyson in that ring, Marciano would have been in a whole different level of trouble the way Jersey Joe was landing those left hooks and Foreman would have decimated him.

 

Firstly. Don't patronise people and be presumptuous, about their age, just because they don't dwell in the past as you seem to favour doing.

I am actually older than George Foreman, but not as old as Ali. I have seen plenty of Marciano, and plenty of Foreman, and I am also aware that any guy over 210 can hit another guy and drop him, the trick is to keep him there, which Foreman did, and Lyle didn't.

 

If Marciano had a three year prime in the 1970s he could have been champion but it would not have been that dominating a reign like he had in the 1950s. Foreman got all the way to #1 in 1972 without fighting anybody that decent. Why can't Marciano? What did Frazier really have left after 1971?

I can see a prime Marciano beating a faded Frazier, Joe Roman and Ken Norton. why not? I think that is the least he could do.

A prime Foreman could spell trouble for Rocky but could just as easy spell trouble for raw George. After 1974 there is no prime Ali for Rocky to fight either. Prime Rocky can match Leon Spinks on a bad night. Truth of the matter is unlike the 1950s the ratings in the 1970s did not reach a point where it could be acceptable for a prime champion to just up and retire like Marciano did so he would have just kept going until he lost like all other great champions.

If Maciano started a prime early in the 1970s he would burn out by 1974 and be ripe for say a Foreman or decent Ali. If his prime Started out later say 1974 then by 1979 he would be half the man and ripe for who ever was tops in 1979. I think within a 3year prime you could put Rocky in with any 1970s heavyweight and he would not disgrace himself at all. Far from it.

 

If you read the post I responded to you would understand what I was responding too, lets leave Marciano out of the equation for a minute and let me say Foreman was a powerful puncher indeed but if we put him ( young prime version) in the ring with Joe Louis or Lennox Lewis or any other good pin-point puncher even Walcott how do we know he can survive their power, he did not fair well against Ali or Young nor was he impressive against Lyle, so lets forget abouts Gods for a minute these guys were all men including Foreman and had someone who hit harder than Lyle or was a better finisher I would not bet on George after all he was pretty easy to hit with right hands

 

hard to tell that you went to school in the era where the teachers cracked your knuckles with a ruler if you wise-quipped

lets leave Marciano out of the equation for a minute and let me say Foreman was a powerful puncher indeed but if we put him ( young prime version) in the ring with Joe Louis or Lennox Lewis or any other good pin-point puncher even Walcott how do we know he can survive their power, he did not fair well against Ali or Young nor was he impressive against Lyle, so lets forget abouts Gods for a minute these guys were all men including Foreman and had someone who hit harder than Lyle or was a better finisher I would not bet on George after all he was pretty easy to hit with right hands

 

by two hall of fame punchers rated # 4 and # 63 on Ring Magazine's all time punchers list. He was never knocked out cold flat on his back by a 37 year old journeyman fighter, or dropped 9 times in one round by a 13-18 fighter