Calzaghe aside- who is the GOAT at 168?

Why would I be "butthurt" from having an English champion rated the goat in his division?

That sort of thing gives national pride.

 

I don't think any have a better resume than Joe at 168.

Good memory on the thread debating close fights. I find it strange when people gave a steadfast opinion on close fights. The two you mentioned have been debated for years and I feel on both sides of the track each time. Who knows how I'd score them after rewatching.

 

Thankfully I don't seek you approval.

 

Calzaghe only had to use his passport twice during his SMW reign, and 4 times throughout his professional career.

 

Thats good. He was champ and able to do that. some are not so lucky

 

Looks like you didn't see the quote of yours I was responding to. No problem.

Sometimes the champ shpuld travel, such as Andre Ward should travel to UK and face Froch.

 

That would be fair as Ward would be returning the favour, which is another scenario.
Also that would likely be bigger money if Ward made that move, but I dont think it will happen.
If you look at the S6, it got alot of the contestants to travel, but since then not many of the original S6 fighters have travelled abroad. I can only think of Kessler

 

Tate after the fight said: "I don't think it was a headbutt"

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=5usDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4275,1252388&hl=en

Boxrec report of the fight:-

" the ninth round saw Tate deducted a point after the referee claimed that he had butted Ottke and cut his left eye when most ringsiders felt that damage had been done by a heavy right."

http://boxrec.com/hugman/index.php/...te,_Borderland_Hall,_Magdeburg,_Germany_-_IBF

I can dig out more references of other reputable sources claiming the cut on Ottke was caused by a legal punch.

Ottke's dominance doesn't take away from the fact his cut was caused by a legal punch, and when the fight was stopped due to cuts it should have been ruled a TKO victory for Tate.

There was no need to stop the fight, but the fight was stopped and because it was stopped because of a cut caused by a legal right hand punch on Ottke's cranium, it should have been ruled a TKO victory for Tate. According the the rules.

Ok, now I know you either trolling or just making conversation just to improve your English or something. How was Amir Khan's almost 120-108 decision over Kotelnik "questionable"?

Khan schooled Kotelnik.

Good to see you admitting Ottke did have dodgy decisions.

 

Farhood has Ward at number 2 I think

 

Here you go Sven, you can use your eyes once again:-

41:15 of the video you see the right hand by Tate that caused the cut

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Slow motion replay 51:35

If you want to dismiss a source because it is American, here is a German source which says the same thing:-
"
Weil sich der Berliner die Wunde in der neunten Runde laut Ringrichter bei einem Kopfstoß, also per Unfall und nicht per Treffer, zugezogen hatte, wurden gemäß den IBF-Regeln die Punktrichter-Zettel nach Runde vier ausgezählt. Auf denen lag Ottke mit zweimal 97:93 und einmal 96:94 vorn, und niemanden störte es, dass manche Beobachter eine knallharte Rechte von Tate anstatt des angeblichen Kopfstoßes als Verletzungsursache ausgemacht hatten."

http://archiv.rhein-zeitung.de/on/99/09/05/sport/news/box.html

The referee did stop it, and incorrectly called it a headbutt when it was a "knallharte Rechte von Tate".

These are the facts.

The fight should not have been stopped as Ottke wasn't seriously damaged, however it was stopped because of a cut that was caused by "knallharte Rechte von Tate" and therefore should have been ruled a TKO victory for Tate.

Maybe you got Khan vs Kotelnik confused with Alexander vs Kotelnik. Kotelnik was robbed vs Alexander, but was fairly beaten by Khan in their fight.

Good to see you admitting Ottke had "Questionable" decisions.

 

Calzaghe was Euro Level. He never reached World Level.