Where donu draw the line though we dont want it accepted or we will have fighters taking a dive right off the bat
I would suggest Cotto quitting against Margarito, the guy gave it absolute every last ounce of energy he could muster before finding nothing left even beneath that last mystical layer 99% of us will never have to peer into, there weren't even soggy dregs left, he was done. That's the ultimate barrier that you can reference if you want to see the border between consciously quitting and having no choice. The rest, if a fighter feels he cannot continue and has no way of staying on his feet dodging, taking and throwing punches, he has no obligation to continue taking a beating or potentially taking a beating, he's as valid as the rest of us all, he doesn't want to be hit anymore, that's his decision and his right. There are degrees and shades to the topic but if somebody cannot dig deeper and persevere, sure in that moment (or in several if it happens again), they are not made of the harder stuff as other fighters who have bit down and pushed on, either for a sublime resurgence or a vicious dismissing, but that's no crime, is it?
Roger mayweather said it best. You either say **** it i quit or you let the other guy beat your ass damn near to death. No one wants to be on the receiving end of that whooping watching it back on TV and the whole world watching you get whooped.
Of course you should have the opportunity to quit. But only with some kind of severe injury, like a broken leg or something else that hinders you from being competitive or defend yourself. What you can't do is quit because of a small cut or something else that is clearly not hindering you in any way whatsoever. Point is: if you stop the fight but are still physically able to continue, you are a quitter.
Never. That's just part of the sport. It's a test of character as much as physical toughness. Stress and pain bring out who you really are. Are you a cheater, a quitter, or a coward? Are you physically strong but mentally weak? It comes out in the ring.
Don't be stupid, cuzz. Hundreds of men have died in the ring. A quick check of statistics will show you it's a couple every year. That's why this game isn't for pussies. It's serious business and if you have any fear in you then you shouldn't step through the ropes at all. You should go play some other game like women's volleyball where you won't get hurt.
You are saying that boxing is the fighter's entire life, the thing that matters most to him, but I'm saying that if it were, he wouldn't have thrown it away and quit so easily. Quitting is the opposite of what you are describing. Quitting comes from taking the sport, the fans, the job lightly. It shows a lack of dedication. It makes you think that if they could quit in the ring, then they must have quit during training. If they quit in training then they didn't give their career everything they had. And if they got this far as a quitter, then that's probably the only thing holding them back. If they weren't a quitter, then they would have trained and fought a little bit harder and been a winner. But they didn't. They were weak. This sport is about strength mental and physical. I've seen guys KO other guys in fights they were losing with one punch every couple months. I've seen men fight on with dislocated or broken arms, broken ribs, broken hands, cuts, swollen eyes, broken jaws, sprained ankles, twisted kneecaps, and broken orbital sockets. Quitters don't deserve to share a ring with those heroes, the guys who get up no matter how many times they've been knocked down and soldier on.
If you are legitimately injured like a broken ankle, broken orbital bone, torn muscle etc. then sure. But simply quitting because you are getting beat up is NOT ok. It is against the code of the sport and a disgrace. See Chavez Jr as a recent example. There was nothing wrong with the guy.
10th round and only if have been taking an hellacious beating from the beginning or if you have a serious injury whoever quits before the 10th without meeting this criteria is a *****
Really? Daniel quit once with GGG ( BTW I understand that one) and gets an instant title shot..How is that for "stock going down"?
Sometimes another fighter is just too good. I don't think fighters deserve automatic criticism for it - but fighters who fight to the death should be praised totally. Easy to forget this is the man's livelihood.