No hate. I just cannot see how Floyd is greater than Morales

drenlou · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

You are right. He did fight Carlos after the Corrales fight. I haven't seen that fight.
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Just admit you didnt watch boxing around that time:deal thats when he hurt his hand and took a knee, right after... cmon tinman

tinman · Jun 10, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

Just admit you didnt watch boxing around that time, thats when he hurt his hand and took a knee, right after... cmon tinman
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I did watch boxing. I don't watch a lot of live fights. I rely a lot on internet. I don't have HBO or Showtime and I don't buy PPV. I rely a Lot on the Internet to watch fights.

Pimp C · Jun 10, 2015

boxing_master said: ↑

Morales is greater than Mayweather FACT!:hi:
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You picked PBF to beat #48 FACT!:hi:

drenlou · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

I did watch boxing. I don't watch a lot of live fights. I rely a lot on internet. I don't have HBO or Showtime and I don't buy PPV. I rely a Lot on the Internet to watch fights.
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So youre pursuaded by other peoples opinions when you watch fights on youtube, which is why you make crazy threads like these?

So to try to understand your position is, if some casuals on youtube leaving comments saying morales is greater then Floyd, and pacs win against a "prime" mab is better then anyone on floyds entire resume, you agree right of the bat?
So youre admitting youre a gullible human being?

Ill tell you what i got these magical beanstalk beans that Jack gave me, ill sale them to you for $100, are you interested??

Pimp C · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

I thought Morales had a better showing than Floyd when they fought Chavez.

For what it's worth (probably a lot). They fought different hernandez's.
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Are you serious? PBF toyed and beat the **** outta Chavez, one of my favorite PBF fights at 130.

boxing4ever · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

Alright I'm about to compare Morales' and Mayweather's top 10 performances. I said performances and not wins because I respect close losses to ATG fighters. A close loss against prime MAB to me is not a disgrace, it is an accomplishment. So what I find is that Morales has a more top heavy resume and Mayweather has more depth.

The depth advantage that Floyd has over Erik is in large part due to Morales' burn out at such a young age. However, I'm not going to give any allowances for that. Such is life. Like I give Floyd no allowances for not facing a prime ATG. The fact that Floyd has a deeper resume than Erik in large part because Erik was washed up early. It just the way it goes. No excuses.

Here we go.

Erik's top 10 performances.

1. Pacquiao 1 (already explained)
2. Barrera 2. I feel like Erik was robbed in this fight. He won a close one in my opinion
3. Barrera 1. I feel like Barrera won the fight, but Erik was given the decision. Either way it was a great performance by Morales.
4. Barrera 3. I think Barrera got a deserved decision. It was a close fight, but Morales' slow start sealed his fate on the cards. I do think that Morales would have stopped Barrera had it gone 15 rounds. Marco was gassed at the end.
5. Junior Jones. Morales pummeled the man who outclassed a green Barrera. Was Barrera at his peak during the Jones' losses? No, but he was still formidable. As was Jones when Morales beat him.
6. Paulie Ayala. Morales was dominant throughout the fight and went for the knockout in the 12th throwing over 100 punches and showing unreal stamina. Though he was dominant in the fight Ayala is nowhere near a great fighter. It's at this point we are starting to see a noticeable dropoff in Erik's resume.
7. Chavez. Chavez was good, but not great. He really rocked Erik in the first round bad. But Morales shook it off showing heart and chin and then put an early beatdown on Chavez en rout to a decision.
8. McCullough. Though Wayne was easily dispatched by Hamed this man was still a decent fighter. Morales won with a comfortable and comprehensive decision.
9. Espadas Jr. 2. Morales avenged one of the worst performances of his career when he an unimpressive win against Espadas two years earlier. He does what a great fighter should do. He destroyed someone who shouldn't have given him an earlier tough fight.
10. Hernandez Simply an outclassing of a meh fighter.

Floyd's top 10 performances

1. Corrales Though in retrospect we now know that Corrales was overrated and not an ATG. He was still an exceptional fighter. He was the man at 130 and many thought he would beat Floyd. He was weight drained, but to me that makes little difference. Floyd totally outclassed him. At 135 I still give Corrales little chance. Floyd was just too good.
2. JLC 2 While Corrales was his best performance this was Floyd's best moment. He showed that he wasn't all fluff. He got in there and outclassed somebody who in all seriousness may very well have beaten in his last fight. And JLC was a very good fighter.
3. JLC 1 One of the rare times Floyd showed real heart. He beat a very good fighter and fought through a shoulder problem in a close fight. It really doesn't matter who you think won the fight. It was a good performance by Floyd.
4. Cotto Here Floyd showed good chin beating yes a prime Cotto. He was the smaller and physically weaker fighter, but Floyd managed to pull it out and get the decision.
5. Canelo. At 22 he was probably green. He's a slow plodder without much stamina. Nowhere near a great fighter, but he's still very good. A total outclassing by a fighter who's in another league.
6. Hernandez. He was neither totally in his prime nor a great fighter, but still a very good win for such a young and green fighter himself in Floyd.
7. Hatton. Ricky had a good style to beat Floyd, but Mayweather was just too good. The idiot get trying to hug him and Floyd devastated him with the left hook. Goodnight.
8. Gatti. Although Gatti wasn't that great of a fighter and he was shot this was still a very solid performance by Mayweather. I was in awe at the footwork, the precision, the speed, the technical aspects of Floyd's game. H2H this is the best I've ever seen Floyd. Although part of me wonders if it's because Gatti had no pulse.
9. Manny Pacquiao. Manny wasn't even close to his prime. Had gotten KTFO. Many wars. Blown up in weight. Etc. This is by far the best fighter Floyd ever fought, but he wasn't even close to his peak. Still a decent performance by Floyd. Boring, but decent.
10. Judah. He was a fast slick southpaw. He troubled Floyd early, but Judah like always gassed and Floyd's skill reigned supreme.

There you have it. Far from perfect, but I gave it my best shot.

All in all I truly believe Morales to be greater after looking at their top 10 performances.
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Your missing mayweather vs JMM. Nobody beats JMM 12-0

Ducklerr · Jun 10, 2015

This might be controversial, but I think Mayquiao ranks higher all-time than Pacweather.

tinman · Jun 10, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

So youre pursuaded by other peoples opinions when you watch fights on youtube, which is why you make crazy threads like these?

So to try to understand your position is, if some casuals on youtube leaving comments saying morales is greater then Floyd, and pacs win against a "prime" mab is better then anyone on floyds entire resume, you agree right of the bat?
So youre admitting youre a gullible human being?

Ill tell you what i got these magical beanstalk beans that Jack gave me, ill sale them to you for $100, are you interested??
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Thinking that Pac's win over Barrera is betrer than anything on Floyds resume is smart. We had a poll here that said better win barrera or corrales. Almost 90 percent was barrera.

cuchulain · Jun 10, 2015

MVC! said: ↑

Dumb thread.

Floyd a top 10 ATG fighter, and that's irrefutable.
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He's not.

But he ranks higher than ATG Morales.

And by quite a margin.

tinman · Jun 10, 2015

cuchulain said: ↑

He's not.

But he ranks higher than ATG Morales.

And by quite a margin.
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Post your top 10 performances by each fighter. Then we will talk.

drenlou · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

Post your top 10 performances by each fighter. Then we will talk.
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Chavez and c.hernandez are null and void on Morales' list you posted..

tinman · Jun 10, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

Chavez and c.hernandez are null and void on Morales' list you posted..
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Yep. It's not perfect.

drenlou · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

Thinking that Pac's win over Barrera is betrer than anything on Floyds resume is smart. We had a poll here that said better win barrera or corrales. Almost 90 percent was barrera.
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Yeah a bunch of pac****s and alts voting on that poll... even some stated that they hated floyd and his style so much that if pac had beaten corrales and floyd had beaten Mab, that pac would still have the better win in corrales and would have been an ATG if pac beat him...atsch

That poll had no integrity, none what so ever!

markq · Jun 10, 2015

tinman said: ↑

Thinking that Pac's win over Barrera is betrer than anything on Floyds resume is smart.
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that said better win barrera or corrales. Almost 90 percent was barrera.
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atsch You can't make this up. I'm surprised you're not referencing some pulitzer article on the front page :rofl You guys also think Pac won in slow motion :rofl

Ducklerr · Jun 10, 2015

drenlou said: ↑

Yeah a bunch of pac****s and alts voting on that poll... even some stated that they hated floyd and his style so much that if pac had beaten corrales and floyd had beaten Mab, that pac would still have the better win in corrales and would have been an ATG if pac beat him...atsch

That poll had no integrity, none what so ever!
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Ahoy, matey! Do you personally think the Chico win is better than the MAB one?

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