Ali vs Marciano: 1950's style

Lets line up some factors, that are not necessarily fight winners for Ali!

Size
Speed
Reach
Chin

Yes a swarmer can give up all, of those, and still prevail!

 

as a prime 26 fight Frazier proved in the FOTC

 

Against a rusty out of the Ring Ali......no Clay exile no Frazier championship.

Your hero went in his absolute prime life and death with old , shopworn , skinny and B A L D I N G has beens and got himself knocked down/coming from behind to succeed.

"Whats my name " Ali time frame will give Marciano the hiding of a life time.

 

Lol This should not be a debate. Ali at his best would simply toy with Marciano. If Ali can dodge punches like it's nothing from guys that have 84" and 82" reach, that small guy is doing absolutely nothing other than getting ripped apart by Ali in the ring.

 

Have to favor Ali, but if a legally blind in one eye Frazier could give Ali trouble, then Marciano would have had a damn good chance of pulling out a victory.

 

Too much height, reach and speed for Marciano to overcome here. Sure he would have his moments but overall it's Ali. Rocky would have to find a way inside Ali's 80" reach and slashing jab to inflict any damage. And if it's a prime Ali then Rocky will be spending most of the fight simply trying to catch Ali with those great legs of his. Frazier had success in the FOTC but even that wasn't prime Ali and Frazier fought differently than Rocky did, faster on the attack with hands and feet and much more bobbing and weaving plus his left hook was what Ali was susceptible to, not a right hand especially from a man with a 67" reach. It wouldn't be a walk in the park for Ali but he would win, either by decision or late round stoppage due to cuts around the eyes.

 

We are talking a 16 foot ring here. Under these conditions very easy for this to be an Marciano victory. Not many places to hide in a ring of that size and prime Ali had never learned to handle a great infighter well along the ropes.

 

Ali fought Quarry and went good rds with Oscar B. and you want to call it rust, he was a young man. That Walcott would have given Ali a hell of a battle, no shame getting KD by him the great Joe Louis hit the floor 3X vs JJW dont underestimate his skill and power...guys like Cooper and Banks Jones and 5'11 26 fight Frazier had Ali in trouble and my hero could do it with two hands....Whats my name would get an answer

 

Still sticking to the one handed Frazier myth?

I am going to keep repeating this question until one of you blithering parrots answers it.... How did Frazier KO half his first 20 victims with his right hand?

 

You are wayyy off base. Frazier being a one handed hwt was understood by everyone back in the 60s and 70s. No myth. Again you are ignoring known history. Fraziers right hand was only developed very late in his career and at that time (prior to his bout with Ali in Manilla) it was given a "three" out of "five" in an ****ysis of both fighters in an Boxing Illustrated article that quoted various trainers and opponents of Both men to determine each respective ranking. So at its best very late in his career his right was only average. Frazier himself stated back in the early 70s after one of his bouts that he was trying to develop a right hand.

 

Name a few heavyweights he knocked down or out with a right hand.

 

yea Seamus i know Frazier had a right hand like Shavers ha ha, There are video's of Marciano KOing people with both the right and the left hand...I saw many of Frazier's fights and the left hook was always the culprit but I know Marciano was slow, short and had T-Rex arms, talk about Parrots

 

Very true. First it was understood and widely known during Fraziers era that he had no right hand. So to state otherwise is well beyond historical accuracy. Secondly if you go through his opposition from first to last and ask yourself when did Joe ever Ko an opponent with a right hand? When did he ever score a KO with his right hand?

Let's look at it in groups of ten

Cummings to Daniels - scored three kos all from left hooks. No knockdowns due to right hands.

Ali to Doyle - scored 8 kos. All kos and knockdowns were from left hooks. However no info concerning Doyle and Conner fights.

Chuvalo to smith - scored 8 kos. Of the ones I am aware of all kos and knockdowns were via left hooks (jones, Machen, Daniels, Smith plus Chuvalo who he did not knock down). No info concerning his bouts with Davis, Jones, Leslie).

Polite to Goss - all kos (first seven bouts) but all low level opposition. Goss and Turnbow were koed by a left hook.

So where are the kos via right hands? All the kos of the fights where info is at least not readily available were from right hands? Certainly all kos and knockdowns Frazier scored against decent competition came from left hooks. Even after Joe developed a marginal right hand (second Quarry bout and later) he never scored a knockdown with its use.