Schmeling-Sharkey II 1932 one of the worst decisions of all time

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  1. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You need to remember that Schmeling was hugely popular in the states. His bouts drew sold out crowds. I completely discount any thought of a fix. Their second bout was a tough one to score. Sharkey was boxing cleverly while Max was coming forward. At the bouts end Schmeling had blood streaming down his face so he must have gotten hit with some good punches. Sharkey I have read was comparatively unmarked.
     
  2. janitor

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    Jack Sharkey was probably the best heavyweight in the world, between the retirement of Gene Tunney, and somewhere around the Schmeling Stribling fight.

    I would make that statement.
     
  3. Perry

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    I am not so sure if that at all. Schmeling drew record crowds when he came to the states. His look was compared to Dempsey and he was very popular.
     
  4. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both are very sound boxers
     
  5. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Schmeling bleeding heavily was not noticeable on the film.

    What is the source for that?
     
  6. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point,

    but "villains" draw well also with folks coming out hoping to see them lose.

    *But the whole issue might be less Schmeling's popularity or lack of popularity,

    than a desire to keep control of the heavyweight championship within the United States.
     
  7. Perry

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    Schmeling was highly popular. His movie star looks and resemblance to Dempseybrought crowds to cheer him on not vilify him.

    I believe my source for Schmelings bloody features was the 1975 Ring Record book.
     
  8. Perry

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    One quote was that during round 15....."Schmeling smiled through bloody features". Looking for the other now.
     
  9. The Long Count

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    I disagree. Schmeling on the footage looks relatively unmarked while Sharkey clearly is marked around his left eye. The commentator also in round 15 notes that Sharkey is bruised around both eyes the nose and mouth. I didn't see all that but he is marked.
    Have hard time believing they took the title away from the champion when he was the effective aggressor for entire fight and the opponent fought entire fight in retreat only throwing a flicking jab. I felt max swept the last 5 rounds.
     
  10. Perry

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    Schmeling drew record crowds and he was a very popular hwt in the early 30s. This is recorded boxing history. See Fleischer. "50 years at Ringside"

    AP scored the bout 7-6-2 for Sharkey. Close bout.

    I just read a newspaper account .....sharkeys one eye was tightly closed after the bout. Schmelings nose dripped claret and both lips were cut.
     
  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's 7-6-2 for Schmeling. Not Sharkey.
     
  12. The Long Count

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    That's one account. 22 of 26 ringside reporters voted for Schmeling. Two had it even and two for Sharkey.

    Tunney who was in audience said it was a miscarriage of justice.
     
  13. klompton2

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    You are getting your reports crossed. That AP report originated from Joe Vila who actually said that it was Sharkey who had a closed eye and bled from the nose and mouth throughout in his column for the New York Sun. Arthur Dayton writing for the same newspaper said Schmeling had slightly puffed lips but that was hardly noticeable and otherwise you couldnt tell he had been through a 15 round boxing match.
     
  14. mcvey

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    This is your post.
    "That had to do with Braddocks pension: The manager of Louis offered him 10% from every following purse in his protégés career. He put so much money on the table (I think his name was Jacobs too), that Jimmy couldn't say no"

    Louis's managers offered and gave nothing to Braddock ,as I told you it was a percentage of the gates from Mike Jacobs promotions of the heavyweight title for a specified number of years. This agreement ended in a court case. Braddock's manager was Joe Gould.
     
  15. edward morbius

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    "some town in Ohio or Kentucky"

    Cleveland, Ohio

    "in a relatively small gym"

    Not at all. It was at Municipal Stadium (its first event I believe) which became with its opening the largest multi-purpose stadium (baseball and football) in the USA, replacing Yankee Stadium. Municipal Stadium sat over 80,000 for football, so conceivably could seat a lot more for boxing.

    The attendance, however, was only about 37,000.

    *It was, of course, during the Depression.