Wladimir Klitschko vs Joe Frazier -- you know this is gonna be divided.

Its average or suspect vs power hitters. Wlad took flush shots from Sam Peter, who can hit. Two of his losses are stamina related. And to be truthful 3 stoppage losses at heavyweight in 67 fights is not bad.

Many past all time great were KO'd as much or more, and by lesser punchers than Sanders and Brewster.

 

The biggest puncher Frazier met used him as a yo yo.
Frazier was not a top flight banger, he was a saturation puncher who won on attrition. Chuvalo took Frazier's shots flush and never looked like going down.
Norton was Frazier's pal he was extremely unlikely to say anything that would not boost Joe.
Bonavena took all Frazier's shots in two fight and never once hit the floor .
Let's not try and make Frazier into some one punch ko banger ,he wasn't.

 

It would appear that the Foreman / Frazier fights were merely figments of our imagination.

According to the nut huggers Joe was an indestructible one punch KO artist with great defensive skills if he ever felt the need to call on them.

I wonder how they will spin W 1 - L 4 against his 2 best rivals.

Never mind 11 years unbeaten, Frazier couldn't even manage 11 fights unbeaten after he became world champion.

Vlad by brutal KO any time it suits him. He might like to bounce Joe around for a few rounds for the entertainment value, but as soon as he gets bored, he closes the show with one big right hand. Only unlike with Foreman, Joe doesn't get up for at least 5 minutes.

 

Yep many past all-time greats have been ko'd thing is many were in a division with much greater depth of talented opponents . Wlad will mostly get marked down because of the extremely low level of talent around during his reign . Could you imagine if frazier had lost to fighters of the calibre of Brewster or sanders the stick he would get the chin checkers would be all over him . With wlad I do worry that if in a hard dig down deep fight against a top say 12 to 15 ATG heavyweight who can bang and let's face it most of them can . Could wlad cope mentally and for me his stamina would suffer greatly in such a match the mental stress he come under may well cause him to gas quite early

 

You can't change your whole boxing construct overnight and come to the fight a different boxer in the morning.

Wlad is capable of one style and one style only. When his very basic pattern is offset - he has no recourse or alternative strategy .

Exanple- His gab , right hand and immediately hold routine was upset due to proper officiating against Jennings. So he was unable to throw anything other than jabs for fear he'd get countered.
The head and upper body movement is non existent. There's nothing he can do against an opponent coming in other than illegally hold. Jennings had openings to be taken out left right and centre. Wlad didn't have the tools to box him to the stoppage he was expected by everybody to obtain.

This guy is so basic in every department , that he didn't look much better than Jennings who doesn't have more than 40 fights - amateur and pro combined. Bowe would have exposed Jennings for the novice he is within 3 rounds.

Frazier's style was kryptonite for jab / straight shot merchants. Thats why you saw none of them around in the glory years.
You needed a lot more than what Wlad has to compete with atgs like Frazier.

 

Look what he did to Chuvalo's face in only 4 rounds.

Mathis had what nobody around today has -light feet and good movement. You wouldn't call Buster an athlete yet he had a greater range of movement and better conditioning than Wlad.

 

frazier won his bout with Bugner by three rounds if you break out the refs scoring. So something like 7-4-1 or 6-3-3..... Something along those lines so not a close bout. If you watch the bout it was not very close. Frazier may have been able to end the bout in the 10th when he hit Bugner with a hook and he was out on his feet. Joe stepped back rather than hitting him again.

 

Frazier was limited since his right hand was poor. No one denies the elite power of his left hook. Ring rated him as the 39th hardest puncher of all time in 2003. Ali stated "no one hits harder than Joe Frazier" after he lost to Joe in 71. Frazier broke Chuvalos eye socket to pieces with one left hook. You don't break bones if you cannot punch VERY hard. Watch the FOTC again and watch how Fraziers hooks MOVE Ali. Post Ali Joe was a different fighter....never the same and not nearly as impressive. Prime Frazier was a wrecking machine.

 

Quarry broke Shavers jaw,.was he a huge puncher?
I deny the elite power of his left hook.
Prime Frazier stopped
Quarry
Chuvalo
Mathis
Ramos
On their feet.
Ellis on his stool.
The best men he actually kod were Jones and Foster

Griffith beat Paret to death was he a big puncher?

Morrison
Ruddock
C**ney
Liston
Dempsey
Williams
Louis
Fitzsimmons
Shavers
Foreman
Lewis
Bruno
Sanders
Tyson
Baer
Wlad
Sheppard
Satterfield
Marciano
Sullivan
Are just some of the guys I think hit harder.


You believe what you want to believe.

 

You are the only one who think so. Chuvalo...."Frazier hits like a Mac truck at 60 mph". Ali...."no one hits harder than Joe Frazier". Frazier had no right hand but his left hook, as a converted southpaw, was a devastating punch.

Breaking a jaw is much easier as its hinged. Catch an opponent with his mouth ajar and you can break it. Breaking a static bone like a cheek bone or an eye socket takes power.

 

Harry Gibbs scorecard directly contradicts your statement that Frazier soundly beat Bugner.

 

I'm happy to be in the sole minority. For me Frazier was an attrition puncher who seldom knocked a man unconscious, he wore them down with non stop barrage of punches until they eventually wilted.

 

No it does not. That small difference numerically translates to a win by three rounds for Frazier. A win by three round in a 12 round fight is no small margin.

 

Chuvalo.... "Frazier hits like a Mac truck going 60 mph".

Guy could hit.

 

Chuvalo said the hardest hitter he faced was Mike DeJohn.