Lennox Lewis vs Jack Dempsey

The USA saved Eng and Fran in 2 WWs. Just say thank you. And btw, you admitted you guessed. That is really all anyone needs to know about you. Could Dempsey beat Wills? Well, gee, I GUESS not. But my guess I will back up to death. Classic English hautiness in the face of being proven wrong. We kicked yr asses out of America and 240 ago and have to save yr ass when you are attacked. JUST SAY THANK YOU.

 

Not a question of loans. We mobilized to England's benefit to provide millions of dollars in supplies. Without this MASSIVE assistance at a time when they needed it the most to say it could not changed the wars outcome for England is just plain wrong. Again I said could. There are no absolutes.

If hitler could concentrate on Russia he would have had greater success of winning adding to this if the U.S. Did not provide the millions of dollars in supplies that they did supply to Russia. Again without the aid and without the drain of fighting two fronts Germany is in a far better position to defeat Russia.

Bottom line no one should in any way downplay the U.S. Efforts in WW2. It's not just the boys we lost helping Euope defeat this arch enemy..... Much more than that.

 

Thanks bud. It is incredible to me that the lack of pride in the USA has allowed this kind of revisionist all over the world and sadly home in the USA. But america is still the world powerhouse and when a good president gets in, the world will see this. Btw, i got a shirt from the rangers that says, Isis hunting Americans is like a sheep hunting a Lion. " i know my views aren't exactly well received on this forum, never quite meshed with the cliquish nature of it, but I am a proud American and always will be. Semper Fi baby. Forever faithful. Have a great day. And GOD bless the United States of America.:hi:

 

AGAIN you were NOT involved in the armed conflict in Europe during WW2,( you admitted so yourself in a thread where you were lecturing some young guy on your idea of how the world should be run ) so shove your worthless opinions where the sun doesn't shine you PATHETIC wanna be hero. People like you make my skin crawl. There were truly brave men on both sides, and all you do is denigrate their memories with your know nothing rubbish.

And before you keep mouthing about gulags, and sh it what about your own poxy country now, locking people up in places like Guantanamo Bay for years without trial?

 

I could have a million guesses and EVERY one of them would be nearer reality than anything you could ever think or pretend to know.

You were fukked by the Vietnamese. You were fukked by the Taliban. You are getting fukked at the moment in Iraq, and by Isis. It took you 12 years to find a guy that was either riding around the Bora Bora region on a camel or in a Mitsubishi pick up truck. Vladimir Putin is at this moment telling you to keep your noses out of his Ukraine business. All in all you are a global nuisance that nobody takes seriously at all. Every war you ever start you lose, this is because though you may be good at manufacturing weaponry, you are worse than useless when it comes to operating them.

The only thanks you will ever get will be from the Taliban, Isis, and assorted other extremist Muslim groups, for making yourselves look incredibly stupid in front of the rest of the world.

 

What I stated is we offered supplies not just loans. Huge difference.

If England was out of the picture Russia would be the only major front. Without the influx of supplies England is much more likely to be picked off by Germany. They then only need to worry about Russia. Concentrated attention and concentrated effort always means a more likelihood of success.

In a war that at that time was European in nature the U.S.stepped up and provided what was required for our allies to be successful at a time when these supplies, millions of dollars worth, were sorely needed. Add to this that the U.S. Mobilized and conveyed millions of our young men to travel half way across the world to help defeat Germany.

Again downplaying these efforts in any way in disingenuous. The U.S. Did all it could to help win WW2 and in addition sent millions of our men many of whom died in the process.

 

Or did we save you by doing most of the front line fighting?

It depends how you want to look at it.

Oh, and thank you by the way!

 

It's interesting that if you just look at military deaths of allied troops during the WW2 the U.S. Was second only to Russia. Russia lost an estimated 10,000,000 military personnel while the U.S. Lost 400,000. England was in third place with 360,000 military deaths.

Of course if you add civilian deaths this changes things.

 

What did the U.S. Not do to help the Europeans beat Germany? Supplies and millions of troops is not enough? Understand that this war was being fought on the other side of the world and was not perceived as a American threat for quite a while and yet we still pumped up both allied nations with supplies and manpower. We don't enter the war and it's very possible England is toast.

 

I will take the following over the revisionist nonsense spouted by any flag waving Murican on this planet, every day of the week and twice on Sunday's.


Pact with Hitler
After a failed attempt to sign an anti-German military alliance with France and Britain[138][139][140] and talks with Germany regarding a potential political deal,[141][142][143][144] on 23 August 1939, the Soviet Union entered into a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany, negotiated by Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.[145] Officially a non-aggression treaty only, an appended secret protocol, also reached on 23 August 1939, divided the whole of eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence.[146][147]
The eastern part of Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Finland and part of Romania were recognized as parts of the Soviet sphere of influence,[147] with Lithuania added in a second secret protocol in September 1939.[148] Stalin and Ribbentrop traded toasts on the night of the signing discussing past hostilities between the countries.[149] Cooperation between the Soviet and Nazis was considerable to the point that in 1939 Trotsky called Stalin as the "Hitler' quartermaster".[150]
Implementing the division of Eastern Europe and other invasions
On 1 September 1939, the German invasion of its agreed upon portion of Poland started World War II.[145] On 17 September the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, followed by co-ordination with German forces in Poland.[151][152] Eleven days later, the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was modified, allotting Germany a larger part of Poland, while ceding most of Lithuania to the Soviet Union.[153]

Planned and actual territorial changes in Eastern and Central Europe 1939–1940
After Stalin declared that he was going to "solve the Baltic problem", by June 1940, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were merged into the Soviet Union, after repressions and actions therein brought about the deaths of over 160,000 citizens of these states.[154][155][156] After facing stiff resistance in an invasion of Finland,[157] an interim peace was entered, granting the Soviet Union the eastern region of Karelia (10% of Finnish territory).[157]
After this campaign, Stalin took actions to bolster the Soviet military, modify training and improve propaganda efforts in the Soviet military.[158] In June 1940, Stalin directed the Soviet annexation of Bessarabia and northern Bukovina, proclaiming this formerly Romanian territory part of the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic. But in annexing northern Bukovina, Stalin had gone beyond the agreed limits of the secret protocol.[159]

Stalin and Molotov at the signing of the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact with the Empire of Japan, 1941
After the Tripartite Pact was signed by Axis Powers Germany, Japan and Italy, in October 1940, Stalin traded letters with Ribbentrop, with Stalin writing about entering an agreement regarding a "permanent basis" for their "mutual interests."[160] After a conference in Berlin between Hitler, Molotov and Ribbentrop, Germany presented Molotov with a proposed written agreement for Axis entry.[161] On 25 November, Stalin responded with a proposed written agreement for Axis entry which was never answered by Germany. Shortly thereafter, Hitler issued a secret directive on the eventual attempts to invade the Soviet Union.[162] In an effort to demonstrate peaceful intentions toward Germany, on 13 April 1941, Stalin oversaw the signing of a neutrality pact with Axis power Japan.[163]
On 6 May, Stalin replaced Molotov as Premier of the Soviet Union. Although Stalin had been the de facto head of government for a decade and a half, he had concluded relations with Nazi Germany had deteriorated to such an extent that he needed to deal with the problem as de jure head of government as well.[164]
Hitler breaks the pact
During the early morning of 22 June 1941, Adolf Hitler broke the pact by implementing Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union that began the war on the Eastern Front.[165] Already in autumn 1940 Stalin received a warning from the Dutch Communist Party, via the network of the Red Orchestra, that Hitler was preparing for a winter war by allowing the construction of thousands of snow landing gears for the Junkers Ju 52 transport planes.[166] Although Stalin had received warnings from spies and his generals,[167][168][169][170][171] he felt that Germany would not attack the Soviet Union until Germany had defeated Britain.[167] In the initial hours after the German attack commenced, Stalin hesitated, wanting to ensure that the German attack was sanctioned by Hitler, rather than the unauthorized action of a rogue general.[29]
Accounts by Nikita Khrushchev and Anastas Mikoyan claim that, after the invasion, Stalin retreated to his dacha in despair for several days and did not participate in leadership decisions.[172] However, some documentary evidence of orders given by Stalin contradicts these accounts, leading some historians to speculate that Khrushchev's account is inaccurate.[173] By the end of 1941, the Soviet military had suffered 4.3 million casualties[174] and German forces had advanced 1,050 miles (1,690 kilometers).[175]
Soviets stop the Germans

With all the men at the Front, Moscow women dig anti-tank trenches around Moscow in 1941.
While the Germans pressed forward, Stalin was confident of an eventual Allied victory over Germany. In September 1941, Stalin told British diplomats that he wanted two agreements: (1) a mutual assistance/aid pact and (2) a recognition that, after the war, the Soviet Union would gain the territories in countries that it had taken pursuant to its division of Eastern Europe with Hitler in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. The British agreed to assistance but refused to agree upon the territorial gains, which Stalin accepted months later as the military situation deteriorated somewhat in mid-1942.[176] By December 1941, Hitler's troops had advanced to within 20 miles of the Kremlin in Moscow. On 5 December, the Soviets launched a counteroffensive, pushing German troops back 40–50 miles from Moscow, the Wehrmacht's first significant defeat of the war.[177]
In 1942, Hitler shifted his primary goal from an immediate victory in the East, to the more long-term goal of securing the southern Soviet Union to conquer oil fields vital to a long-term German war effort.[178] In July 1942, Hitler praised the efficiency of the Soviet military industry and Stalin:
Stalin, too, must command our unconditional respect. In his own way he is one hell of a fellow! (German: ein genialer Kerl) He knows his models, Genghiz Khan and the others, very well, and the scope of his industrial planning is exceeded only by our own Four Year Plan.[179]
While Red Army generals saw evidence that Hitler would shift efforts south, Stalin considered this to be a flanking campaign in efforts to take Moscow.[180] During the war, Time magazine named Stalin Time Person of the Year twice[181] and he was also one of the nominees for Time Person of the Century title.[citation needed]
Soviet push to Germany

The center of Stalingrad after liberation, 2 February 1943.
The Soviets repulsed the important German strategic southern campaign and, although there were 2.5 million Soviet casualties in that effort, it permitted the Soviets to take the offensive for most of the rest of the war on the Eastern Front.[182]

The Big Three: Stalin, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill at the Tehran Conference, November 1943.
Germany attempted an encirclement attack at Kursk, which was successfully repulsed by the Soviets.[183] Kursk marked the beginning of a period where Stalin became more willing to listen to the advice of his generals. By the end of 1943, the Soviets occupied half of the territory taken by the Germans from 1941 to 1942.[184] Soviet military industrial output also had increased substantially from late 1941 to early 1943 after Stalin had moved factories well to the East of the front, safe from German invasion and air attack.[185]
In November 1943, Stalin met with Churchill and Roosevelt in Tehran.[186] The parties later agreed that Britain and America would launch a cross-channel invasion of France in May 1944, along with a separate invasion of southern France.[187] Stalin insisted that, after the war, the Soviet Union should incorporate the portions of Poland it occupied pursuant to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Germany, which Churchill opposed.[188]
In 1944, the Soviet Union made significant advances across Eastern Europe toward Germany,[189] including Operation Bagration, a massive offensive in Belorussia against the German Army Group Centre.[190]

 

Final victory


By April 1945, Nazi Germany faced its last days with 1.9 million German soldiers in the East fighting 6.4 million Red Army soldiers while 1 million German soldiers in the West battled 4 million Western Allied soldiers.[191] While initial talk existed of a race to Berlin by the Allies, after Stalin successfully lobbied for Eastern Germany to fall within the Soviet "sphere of influence" at Yalta, no plans were made by the Western Allies to seize the city by a ground operation.[192][193]
On 30 April, Hitler and Eva Braun committed suicide, after which Soviet forces found their remains, which had been burned at Hitler's directive.[194] German forces surrendered a few days later. Despite the Soviets' possession of Hitler's remains, Stalin refused to believe that his old nemesis was actually dead, a belief that remained with him for years after the war ended.[195][196]
Fending off the German invasion and pressing to victory in the East required a tremendous sacrifice by the Soviet Union.[197] Soviet military casualties totaled approximately 35 million (official figures 28.2 million) with approximately 14.7 million killed, missing or captured (official figures 11.285 million).[198] Although figures vary, the Soviet civilian death toll probably reached 20 million.[198] One in four Soviets was killed or wounded.[199] Some 1,710 towns and 70,000 villages were destroyed.[200][201] Thereafter, Stalin was at times referred to as one of the most influential men in human history.[202][203]
Nobel Peace Prize nominations
Stalin was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 and 1948

 

I'll tell you what Murica's CHARITABLE AID contribution to WW2 in Europe was exactly.

F*****g Hollywood, and it's revisionist garbage of how they won the war.