Would past fighters be considered journeymen under today's boxing standards?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think a blanket statement can be made for every fighter of the past nor vice versa. And when we talk about past fighters vs today's fighters are we talking about comparing men from 1935 to 2015? or are we talking about comparing men from 1945 to 1995? We can actually mix and match all over the place.. A man like Ruslan Chagaev wouldn't have come within screaming distance of title in Joe Louis's era... But then again if we took Max Baer and placed him in the heavyweight division of the early 90's, he likely wouldn't have gotten beyond fringe if even that far.
     
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  2. salsanchezfan

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    You guys just can't help feeding the bears, can you? :lol:
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Urtain was Euro Champ, a big puncher without skill he was only briefly rated. Bodell was Euro and British champ he beat Ramos and Bugner, the Bugner win earned him a brief spot in the top ten.
    Bugner would have no trouble making the top ten today.

    Along with those you named go:
    Ali
    Frazier
    Foreman
    Liston
    Bonavena
    Shavers
    Ellis
    Coetzee
    Weaver
    Tate
    Patterson
    Quarry
    Foster
    Cooper
    Young
    ****ey
    Norton
    Bugner
    Lyle
    Terrell
    That's 20 out of the 50

    Show me a better decade?
     
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  4. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Surely when you refer to " assistance " you are not implying that sucking the juice out of a steak and spitting out the meat as Ancient Archie did wouldn't pass muster today if need be?;)
     
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  5. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ruslan Chagaev would have lots of success in the 30s. I don't see the rationale in singling him out.
     
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  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Fine then pick an example of your own liking.
     
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  7. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    don't listen to this old timer lunatic, he more than likely think wlad would have been a window cleaner in the 70's as he wouldn't even be a bum back then
     
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  8. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Lewis
    2. Tyson
    3. Bowe
    4. Holyfield
    5. Vitali
    6 Wladimir
    7. Ibeabuchi
    8. Tua
    9. Moorer
    10. Mercer
    11. Ruddock
    12. Sanders
    13. Rahman
    14. Bruno
    15. Foreman
    16. Holmes
    17. McCall
    18. Damiani
    19. Mavrovic
    20. Golota
    21. Akinwande
    22. Buster Douglas
    23. Tucker
    24. Witherspoon
    25. Briggs
    26. Hide
    27. Orlin Norris
    28. Stewart
    29. Schultz
    Etc.
     
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  9. Entaowed

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    I know Marciano did the juices-cuking out of steak trick. That is famous.

    I do not know if Archie Moore did too.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    That list covers about three different eras, and a lot of those men didn't even fight each other, while others met outside of prime.
     
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  11. Quick Cash

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    The respective peaks of the men you listed in your top 6 represent 3 decades of heavyweight boxing. His was under 2, and only because he chose to name Liston.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    :lol:
    That Moore interview on another thread is good :good
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It was Moore who was famous for it,I never heard Marciano did it.
     
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  14. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you can use the eye test to grade any fighter, it doesn't matter how bad the quality or how sped up the videos are. you can still see and judge what they're doing. niccolino locche's videos are choppier than most and you can clearly see his great technical skill and defense, and you clearly see a sign of evolution in the fluidity of punches and footwork. based on that, i don't think any top fighter from the 1900-1920s would be any good. tunney for example is known for being a runner or a "mobile fighter" just like muhammad ali, but who's footwork and punches are a lot more fluid? who's movement looks more effective against a more effective aggressor who knows how to use more effective tactics and doesn't only throw wide punches? do you really think tunney would have been able to dance around liston like that?
     
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  15. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was talking mainly talking about the 1900-1920s boxers
     
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