Jake " raging bull" Lamotta VS Sugar Ray Leonard.

No LaMotta's chin is the closest thing to completely undentable as it can possibly get.

 

I have a horrible feeling Leonard would edge a close decision over the 'BRONX' Bull!


This is boxing not a (excellent) film...

 

LaMotta close decision

 

I think a younger Leonard 82 - 83 could tap and run his way to a boring decision win.

 

:wtf

 

Plenty of MWs would beat a 144lb Robinson and that is even if Lamotta actually deserved the win, which was far from certain. How high do you rate the guys who had controversial losses to Robinson?

How do you rate all the boxers who easily outboxed Lamotta? Lloyd Marshall beat Lamotta easily and didn't even consider him a top middleweight. Villemain beat him clearly and was robbed against him in one of the robberies of the decade. Lytell was robbed against him. Dauthuille beat him clearly/ He didn't even distinguish himself from a small WW Zivic in a 5 fight series.

Lamotta is a myth, he was never world class, more of a gatekeeper to world class.

 

....i couldn't understand how this thread went on so long. jake would wade through leonard and bull him all around the ring. a total mis-match. what would leonard's weapons be? power? bob satterfield bounced punches off lamotta's head that literally raised bumps and jake knocked him through the ropes and finally stopped him. speed?
come on...robinson was one of the fastest fighters who ever lived.
sorry, but this one just doesn't make any sense.

 

But remember Albinored, that plenty of welterweights not only went the distance with Jake, but gave him a great fight and even beat him. Fritzie Zivic (4 times), Tommy Bell (3 fights if memory serves), Tony Janiro, California Jackie Wilson, Marcus "Kid Chicken" Lockman, etc.

If they can give Jake a fight I see no reason why the greater Leonard couldn't also, maybe even beat him. Definitely not a mismatch.

 

"Lamotta is probably the most overrated boxer in history".


Hardly....My grandfather was a local sports writer in Philadelphia back then and saw all those fights between Robinson and LaMotta and assured me that LaMotta deserved the decision against Robinson in that second fight and should have been given the decision in fights 3 and 5. Just because the record books says Robinson won those fight 5-1, its was quite a different story by people who actually saw them. So if Robinson is considered the greatest pound for pound and LaMotta actually split 3-3 (regardless of what the record books says) with him, then that
tells me that Jake was indeed a great fighter.

 

I did too and am starting to have the same second thoughts... Robinson supposedly had a hell of a time keeping Lamatta off of him and Leonard would be the smaller man.

 

Hagler was as strong as they come at middle. Leonard defeated him.

Leonard had too much skill, and if needed could adapt tactics to win. Its not like Jake punched like Hearns or had a great defense. Leonard beat all type of guys. Some bigger, some stronger, some longer... and his chin was excellent.

I'd go with Leonard on points 9-6 in a 15 round fight. The ring size could make a big difference here.

 

good points.

 

BS, you have an Italian surname, so your grandpops was probably highly biased. We all know the Italian, white audience and white judges weren't giving the black guy any favours in the racial prejudiced 1940s/50s America. Robinson had to win twice as many rounds to get a draw

Lamotta just wasn't that good and it's obvious from any film footage of him. I don't believe he won any fight against Robinson.

 

First of all, Nardico is just my name for this forum, not my surname. Is your real name PowerPuncher??


Secondly, that's a weak argument my friend. Really now? So now everybody was biased against Robinson, including my grandad. First of all, my grandad himself thought SSR WAS the greatest figter ever, so GTFO with that BS! However, you need to realize that there is no footage of either LaMotta, Robinson, or a lot of fighters back then in their prime, especially in the lower weight divisions, just clips and highlights. Plus, the only fights that are in full of LaMotta are when he was already past his prime, so those are not a totally accurate account of what he must have been like in his prime. Also, while there were some states back then had a ban on interracial boxing matches and some fighters like Archie Moore or Charlie Burley had a tough time getting breaks because of their race, Robinson wasn't one of them. Jack Newfield the journalist who wrote much about boxing in that era once said that "once in a while they would let certain black fighters come through" (his words not mine) like Joe Louis, Henry Armstrong, and Sugar Ray. In addition, any hard core boxing historian who knows that era will say the same thing about the LaMotta-Robinson fights. Don't believe me, research for yourself. I could care less if you believe me or not, but do some research into boxing history before automatically getting bent out of shape just because someone diagrees with you.