I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    get your ass there , Teiken Boxing Gym
     
  2. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lesson from the front: Sometimes fighters are their own worse enemy cos they want to be in charge, listen to clueless people. The road to a successful career is full of bumps in the road, just knowing and the experience of having traveled that bumpy road, is an asset that some fighters refuse to heed. Their fathers, brothers, friends all have brilliant ideas while re-inventing the wheel, the only thing is that their only qualification is that they have watched the fights on tv and read articles. There was a fighter who had it all, the looks, the skills, speed of hand and foot and best of all one shot power.
    The kid was signed by a major promoter, a hof matchmaker, an experienced manager, the kid had an opportunity to train with a multi time 'Trainer of the year', many scribes and boxing insiders said he was a can't miss fighter. The kid turned pro at 18, he is now 25yrs old. He is now without a major promoter, without an experienced manager, he now has his best friend as his manager, he has fought only once in a year and a half. He was recently scheduled to fight but pulled out cos the opponent was 1 pound over, the promoter begged him to fight cos he was the main event, even offering him double his purse which would have made it 16,000. The kid's inexperienced management team advised the pullout when they saw the opponent who looked in great shape. The kid who had it all now has nothing at all. The kid was told at the beginning of his career, "the one who is going to ruin your career , is your father". Guys who traveled that bumpy road saw it coming but could do nothing about it. The kids career or what's left of it is in the hands of two clueless guys, the kid's father and his best friend.
     
  3. LHWilliams90

    LHWilliams90 New Member Full Member

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    I just posted this today, any advice?

    "I'm writing on behalf of my friend Rohit in India. He has dreamed of being a boxer all of his life. Unfortunately, he is from a poor family and boxing isn't considered a real sport in India. He's 23 and has been a street fighter most of his life. I think for his size, he would be a light heavyweight. I've been trying to find him trainers in India, and I have, but most of them won't show up at sessions or only focus on the younger boxers. If you do make it in boxing in India, it's because you are well connected or bribe your way into the sport. I know he's older to try to get into the game but this guy is a beast. He trains like crazy, loves to fight and has the heart and drive to do it. His family have kicked him out of the home because he has this dream and he is living hand to mouth in order to pursue boxing. He just needs a chance, a mentor, someone who can harness all his strength and teach him the fundamentals. He is willing to work odd jobs, clean toilets, live on the street, anything to have a chance to see if he has what it takes. Is there anyone here who can help me help him get out of India in order to find a legit trainer? If he could move to the US, it would be amazing, but our immigration laws prohibit that. I've been looking at the UK, Canada, Cuba and Mexico. If anyone has any advice or connections to help my friend out, I'd be so appreciative!

    Thanks in advance!

    Lara Williams"
     
  4. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First thing he should do is find a place to go to. I would think, the UK or Canada may have a large Indian community.
    Go where it would do your friend some good. Second if he can tape a sparring session or in an amateur fight. Something that he can show what he is capable of doing, it doesn't have to be anything fancy. I take it the only experience he has is in street fights. If he lacks a trainer and he wants to learn, tell him to go on youtube and study the videos. Also PM, "Greynotsoold", for advice that he can work on and practice, that will have to do until he finds a proper trainer. Forget about Cuba and Mexico, the UK is the best bet IMO. Good luck it's always good to have a friend who is willing to help.
     
  5. LHWilliams90

    LHWilliams90 New Member Full Member

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    Thank you so much for your advice. Any suggestions on good gyms in the UK?
     
  6. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cant help you there contacting via PM "makingweight", he's the UK. I am in South Texas.
     
  7. LHWilliams90

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  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I just talked to an H-town trainer. Are you pro or amateur and how did you come to know your Indian friend?
    Pm me if you'd like.
     
  9. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Friends and fathers oh my, two fighters who signed with a friend. One had a promising start, was 12-0, was with a major promoter, had an experienced manager, he didn't like the advice he was given, brought in new management, his friend from high school, he just lost in Canada this past weekend, bringing his record to 19-7. another fighter from the same area had a record of 12-1, he also decided to sign with the same guy, also a friend from high school, has now lost two in a row and headed nowhere. The manager is a clueless guy who grabs any fight and thinks he is doing a fantastic job changing guys who were "A" side into "B" side. opponents. Let the fighter beware cos this happens more then you know, friends and fathers who know nothing and are clueless are career killers. A shame cos both kids have or had talent and now they are considered stepping stones.
     
  10. peleador

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    Hello dempsey,
    Have a question just out of curiosity..
    If a great retired fighter(4example..Ruben Castillo,Jesus Chavez,Fernando Vargas,P.Ayala..etc) would get extremely motivated ,and in awesome shape again,
    Would the boxing commission give them a boxing license?..if so,would they require to see him fight/Sparr?...or only the medical would be required..ive always thought that if(i know thats a big IF!) those guys could get psych. Motivated could beat -ALOT- of so called great
    fighters out there and get another championship fight.
    ..what would you say, if for example, Jesus Chavez would approach you, saying that hi's been training very hard..in great shape..and all injuries heald..needs management and wants to give it one more go at it..?
    Thanks, demps.
     
  11. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A good example of a great fighter thinking about it is the golden boy ODLH, throughout boxing history, ex greats coming back after retiring almost always ended in disaster. If Jesus told me he was coming back, I would tell him in no uncertain terms to
    forget about it. I told him when he fought Linares to retire before he gets hurt. Look at how many HOF'rs have met with disaster,Muhammad Ali, the Sugar Ray's Robinson and Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez, Benny Leonard, Joe Louis and many many more. Ya cant beat father time, the only exception of a fighter coming back successfully was George Foreman, who took his time and came back at the right time. Floyd would love to have another big money fight against a guy who he already beat. Don't even think about GGG.
    Most commissions would require a battery of tests before they license a fighter no matter how great.
     
  12. peleador

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    Ok
    Speaking about triple g..
    Have you checked out David lemieux?
    IMO..this guys got one of the best styles of fighting...i think his better than GGG..i hope this fight happens between these two..
    Its gona be action from round 1
    ...question-when Jesus Chavez broke his hand against Erik Morales..how long did it take for that hand to completely heal?.how long after that was he hitting the heavy bag again.
     
  13. peleador

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    Demps...i just saw the fight Linares vs Jesus Chavez...why did Chavez didnt want to continue?
     
  14. Fighting Fungus

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    Is it true that boxing us a hustlers paradise?

    Do you think Haymon will be successful with what he is doing?

    In 5 years who will be more powerful the Haymon side or HBO?
     
  15. dempsey1234

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    ...question-when Jesus Chavez broke his hand against Erik Morales..how long did it take for that hand to completely heal?.how long after that was he hitting the heavy bag again

    He had a torn rotor cuff in his right arm, it cost him a year before he could start training.