Rank These HW in terms of Functional boxing strength

Mke Tyson was strong, but a bit overrated in the strength department.

 

Louis pummeled a hurt Carnera with his fists. He did not man handle him when he was not hurt. Where can you show me this on film?

Abe Simon ( about 250 ) who was big easily pushed Louis around the ring.

So did Godoy who was about 200 pounds.

Louis wasn't that strong. He was fast and explosive.

Ps: Its is very easy to manhandle a hurt, old or tired fighter. We are talking brute strength, so using these type of examples are not valid.

 

Louis was very strong as a matter of fact ,when he picked Carnera up Primo said I should be doing this to you.
Simon did not push Louis anywhere. You demonstrate that you do not grasp the term functional strength.

 

This is irrelevant drivel.
Only three of those saw Jeffries.So the opinions of the others are worthless, no more valid than Joe Blow's. Fitz was 37 years old coming out of extended retirement, he was giving away 12 years and conceding 37 pounds! Of course he felt the punches! Fitz,Sharkey ,Johnson, and Corbett all named Choynski as the hardest hitter not Jeffries. Langford who at least saw both Jeffries and Dempsey named Dempsey as the superior puncher.

Of the three whose actually saw Jeffries they talk about his power not his functional strength you don't seem to be able to grasp the difference. Bob Foster maybe the biggest banger the 175lbs division has ever seen, but he definitely was not one of the strongest. Like wise Fitzsimmons was a superior one punch banger to Jeffries, but at up to 40lbs lighter, it is almost a certainty he was not as strong.


You want to quote Odd? He named Johnson as the number 1 heavyweight.
You want to quote Rickard? This is what he said in Reno July 4th 1910 after refereeing their fight. " Jack Johnson is the most wonderful fighter that ever pulled on a glove.He won as he pleased from Jeffries. and was never in danger" " Jeffries could not hit him and Johnson could hit Jeffries whenever he` wanted to." Direct quote, New York Tribune July 5th 1910 page 8. You have produced nothing that has any relevance to this thread , just stop with Jeffries boosting and address the question the OP asked.Since you can't answer mine.


There is no mention in Odd's book on Fitzsimmons of Jeffries breaking any of his ribs.
Fitz walked unaided from the ring and the next morning, after breakfast took his son to Gravesend Bay to sail his toy yacht. Fitz did not see a doctor ,or visit any hospital he spent the day on the veranda of his house reading the newspapers.

After the second fight Fitz collected his purse and conducted a press conference no broken ribs at all. Corbett gave a press conference after his second defeat by Jeffries again no mention of broken ribs. I have the post fight reports.
here isa round by round and Corbett's post fight interview no mention of broken ribs.


http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...bett&y=4&x=17&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1


Your story belongs with the fiction you spouted about Burns breaking Johnson's ribs its BULL SH*T from a BULLSH*TTER.

Three months after fighting Jeffries ,Sharkey fought Goddard ,reports of his injuries are exaggerated.


Joe Goddard was 40 years old when he fought Jeffries

 

Prime Holmes had a 43.5inch chest with a 2 inch expansion that compares well with prime Foreman's 42inch chest and 2 inch expansion.At 15.75inches Holmes biceps are 3 quarters of an inch bigger than George's!

 

LOL @ you,

Reporters are the lowest form of labor....I let you figure out which Boxer made that statement.....and newspaper reports are NOT a credible source of information......they are in the selling business not into news business.

Further, I can say with absolute certainty that you have never been around life stock or Big game animals.....a 400 pound "steer" lol, is a calf..........a 520 pound dressed out "steer" is still a calf......a full grown exceptional Mule deer is 350 pounds MAX live weight which translates to roughly 250 pounds dressed out....520 pounds dressed out is close to 700 pounds life weight.....that would be a HUGE Roosevelt elk and at that time frame usually shot in Idaho/Montana/Wyoming......and I can say from personal experience no man is carrying a 700 pound dead elk not now, past or future. The story is total BS.

 

ncvey is right on joe louis. abe simon did not push louis around....he did do a lot o damage with his telephone pole left jab.

btw where is marciano in this discussion. strength was his major weapon.

 

I think Jeffries is getting undersold here and Holmes might be getting overrated by some.

Jeffries was legendarily strong. Whether he lifted a steer or a calf is irrelevent IMO because people gush periodically when the picture of Foreman lifting a calf is trotted out but then when stories of Jeffries lifting a steer are downgraded to a calf people act like hes a *****. Bull****. If you can pick up a 500 pound calf your strong. I dont care who you are. A calf is going to be dead weight and unevenly distributed. Its not like picking up a 500 pound bar at the gym (which is impressive as well). I have no reason to believe Jeffries wasnt enormously strong. He sure looks it in his prime. Anyone here ever shake the hand of old farmer? Those old timers will crush your hand like its made of cotton. Dont think for one second that strong men didnt come into existence until color tv. Holmes on the other hand never struck me in any of his fights as being abnormally strong for a HW.

 

P4P perhaps it's still Marciano. Growing up reading all the boxing mags I could get my hands on, it was always said that Marciano was the strongest heavyweight champion....up until the era of the huge heavies.

 

Now some of those measurements are just way off...

Just look at prime Foreman. Sometimes guys who are short look bigger due to proportions & bone structure & being very lean...But FOreman was never listed under 6' 3" & had a large bone structure. I have lifted for years.
While Foreman did not try to maximize bulk like a body builder, no way did Foreman only have a 15" bicep. This is also what was listed for Ali & Frazier, & since Ali did not have big arms & most of Joe's mass was in the lower body, these may be about right.

Prime Foreman only had a 42" chest? No way.
In his comeback it was listed as 47" & 50" expanded.
Now sure due to fat it would have been bigger, but unless it was his waist, not dramatically bigger.

 

Foreman was up to 35lb s heavier in his second career.

 

Where can we see reports of Jeffries bullying/manhandling an opponent anywhwere near his own size? Examples that will show he had exceptional functional boxing strength which is what the thread asked.If you want to see an example of functional strength inside a ring ,check out 192lbs Dempsey picking up a 216lbs Firpo from the canvas like he is a rag doll.

Round 2 of the Jeffries v Johnson fight.
"Everyone said now wait till the c**n feels that bearlike strength.However it Johnson lifted Jeffries and set him aside easily and gracefully,without effort.That stunned everyone and they groanedRobert Edgren then said ,"it's all over". Tom Sharkey said My God ,its no contest" Jeffries was 19 lbs heavier than Johnson.
Third round Richard Barry stated Johnson was able to seize Jeffries left arm and prevent its use.