Which Heavyweight Champions Does Archie Moore Beat?

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Moore didn't match up well vs heavyweight punchers? Satterfield Henry valdes say otherwise
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Oh my god I forgot Willard

    Archie Moore would smoke Willard. Badly outclass him


    Mcgrains you think Willard beats Moore?
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

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    Willard? Fitzsimmons? Tunney? Sharkey? Rahman? Briggs? Old foreman? Carnera?
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    How can anyone see Willard and Carnera beating Moore? Archie hits hard is great defensively and is far too skilled and fast for them

    Neither Carnera nor Willard possessed any skill they ain't beating Moore
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

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    Moore at his best was pretty amazing too

    I don't think he beat schmeling anyways, just Sharkey


    Schmeling is a class way above sharkey
     
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  6. choklab

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    As a defending champ Sharkey wasn't up to much, but I agree he was special on a good night. Against Carnera first time Jack was quite something. Schmeling was capable of greatness but so was Archie. Only Marcianos relentless pressure broke Archie down. For skill and power Archie at least matched Schmelling, although for conditioning Max against Stribliing was an iron man so you could be onto something..
     
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  7. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    ? :huh




    ??? :huh :huh :huh
     
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  8. he grant

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    Yes. The guy that was defeated by Jimmy Young. Quite possible. Perhaps you can debate the point starting with naming the best boxer Forenan defeated ?
     
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  9. cuchulain

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    If we take McGrain's stricter interpretation of the question, Big George was not champion when he succumbed to Young.

    And worse, he was damaged goods, in the wake of Kinshasa.


    Well it's too early in the morning to ponder it too much, but i'd start with Joe frazier or Ken Norton, both considerably better, h2h, than the Mongoose.
     
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  10. mcvey

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    Thanks to all for the responses, the names proffered and the dearth of great heavyweights on them emphatically reinforce my position that Moore was not a great heavyweight.

    Gentlemen you have made my case for me.:good:happy
     
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  11. SuzieQ49

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    Can someone answer how in the world does Carnera or Willard beat Moore?
     
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  12. mcvey

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    Suze I don't think there is much to choose between Max and Sailor Jack on their best days. Max was just more consistant.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    Hmm, Let's see.....A pressure fighter who wasn't as good as Archie Moore beat Johnson. His name was Marvin Hart.

    Johnson does not do well vs. pressure fighters who can punch. He also had issues with fighters who can jab well as O'Brien did.

    Moore has the power, jab, offensive skills, and reach edge in this match up!

    Had Johnson fought neither Hart or O'Brien your bigoted @ss would be saying yeah right if someone suggested they could beat him. But he did. Look at the results.:deal

    Moore > Hart or O'Brien.

    Draw your own conclusions!
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    Well max schmeling on his best day destroyed the greatest heavyweight of all time. What did Sharkey do in his best day? Beat George Godfrey who might have tanked it?
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Sharkey was beating Schmeling in their first fight until he went low, he was also giving Dempsey a pretty stiff argument , up until the controversial ending.
     
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