Andre Ward vs These Past Super Middleweight's

I may of made a mistake with my prediction of Nunn widely outscoring Ward, because Michael N wasn't at his best at super-middle, was he.

 

You really are reaching now, Chris!

Like I said:Who did Chris beat at SMW that was on par with Ward?

 

It's all subjective. But Michael Watson in their second fight was far beyond anything Ward has done, because I rate a prime Chris Eubank way above Carl Froch (who doesn't?) on boxing ability and Watson won every round by coming forward with skill and without holding or running. And he arguably beat Benn in their second fight (subjective) who holds a greater win at the weight (McClellan) than Andre. Rocchigiani holds a greater win than Andre (Nunn, 2-3 classes beyond Froch could ever be on boxing ability). Ward hasn't beat anyone particularly good. Even Kessler a few years before Ward butted his way past him really wasn't very good, never beat anyone (an old Marcus Beyer, who my mate Glen Catley beat up? Please!)... Calzaghe was so weight-starved at that time he was really there for the taking, ribs showing even on fight-night!

 

Lindell Holmes holds a better win than Andre (Frank Tate, far superior boxer to Froch).

 

Yeah, the greatest SMW of ALL TIME was 'there for the taking'.

Kessler had his moments, but Joe was never there for the taking.

YOU really are a deluded c*nt, you know that? You think Eubank was a demigod, when in fact, he was a no-hoper at SMW.

Ward is already rated as a top 3 SMW of all time, and he has been around for like 6 years (and spent time off being inactive!). Ward's resume at that weight ECLIPSES Chris's.
Now compare that to Chris, who did what at the weight exactly? He beat Watson. Wow. Who did Mike beat that was worth a damn at the weight?

Just remember: When Chris was facing bums in Portugal, Scotland and Egypt (god that is so laughable), Ward had already cleaned out his whole division. Took on all comers. Beat them all. And he was THE joint-underdog of the tournament (alongside Dirrel).

Besides the win over Watson, Chris failed every big test he had at the weight.

Lost to Calzaghe.
Lost to Collins.
Drew with Benn.

Ward schools him and you know it.

Chris and his team were PETRIFIED of world class american operators - Chris's team will tell you that.

Nunn
Jackson
Hearns
RJJ
Toney
G-Man

Jesus, Toney had Chris SWEATING BULLETS via a SATELITE LINK-UP!

Real life, Chris gets dealt with by any top yankee operator.

 

Collins and Calzaghe (and even Benn) were not considered big tests. Eubank was a huge betting favourite against Benn (II) and an even bigger betting favourite against Collins (I) - he was quite a big betting favourite in the Collins rematch too, and Calzaghe was such a raw unknown quantity (most pundits felt Eubank would steal the show from Naz that night with a Wharton-esque display).

Rocchigiani was considered his biggest test. And he passed with flying colours with a breathtaking display. Rocchi of course had never lost the IBF belt in the ring and was superior to a mid-to-late 90s Nunn, the WBA holder at the time of the Eubank-Rocchi clash of titans.

Rocchigiani was a whole other level to Mikkel Kessler. Forget Markus Beyer and Anthony Mundine. Mustafa Hamsho gave Hagler a hard time and Michael Nunn was the best pure boxer I've seen! Maske and Michalczewski were stronger and fresher at their weight than the Calzaghe that Mikkel fought, and we all know Rocchi was robbed blind three times.

Yes, Calzaghe was there for the taking at that time. His RIBS were showing through on fight night, he could not make that weight strongly any ****ing more, right on the brink of collapse according to both Enzo's.

 

Just like Dennis Milton (a superior amateur boxer to Nunn or Tate) and Lindell Holmes (punched Tate all over the ring when Tate was superior to the weight-weakened version that fought Nunn) 'dealt with' and 'schooled' the 'petrified' Christopher. Nigel Benn was a far more petrifying presence than Andre Ward

And Eubank claims Roy Jones avoided him. In Boxing Monthly in 1993, just after his win over Hopkins, Jones said the only fighter in the world who could give him real problems was Chris Eubank. Roy's words. And I don't agree, actually, because Nunn and McClellan would've been nightmares for Jones, too.

 

Yet Chris failed to win. What does that say about him? And who were his 'big tests' at SMW of those guys weren't?

 

Joe drained himself for years, you tool. His 'diet' at the weight was a yogurt a day.

 

Chris's team avoided ANY yank at SMW/MW (or flat-out in the 90's) that was a threat. Chris's teams own words, not mine.

But Roy still beat James Toney - an AMAZING yank operator - and he didn't just beat him, he embarrassed him! And he beat Hopkins (tad green, but still). Chris wouldn't go near guys like him.

You ALWAYS bring up Roch. He was nothing, and you know it. Who even talks about him today bar you? Nunn in the mid 90's was finished mate, so that's a 'victory' that isn't worth talking about.

Nigel would get done guy Ward. More 'petrifying'? Yes. More skilled? No.

 

Rocchi still the biggest European star on as many talk shows in Germany as the Klitschkos. I wouldn't say Nunn was done, he should've got the decision against Liles in both fights (Liles, a guy Jones was scared of).

Toney was a dead weight against Jones, on a drip in hospital the night before to keep him alive (after balooning up to 250 after the Prince Charles fight).

Hopkins was limited at the time, coming forward in straight lines and not near as cute with the lead right, yet.

 

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I don't think Rocchi, Maske or Michalczewski were ever on US/UK TV.

 

But who did Roch beat that was a top, world class operator, hof'er in their prime?

Nunn was beyond done. You know damn well he was.

Toney was THE MAN before he fought RJJ.

So? Still a great win.

 

Henry Maske, twice. A true European legend. Maybe not famous enough in Upstate New York for the 'hall of fame' though. Ability matters, not words or numbers or paper.