I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

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  1. peleador

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    Ok..
    I think i asked you this question..i looked back in this site...but couldnt find or remember your answer..(this question is still lingering in my mind)...
    Why is it that some fighters take many years to get a title fight?..while others in only a few fights?..Spinks.(only after 7 fights!)..Moorer..etc
    Also is it fair to say that if everythings done right-rule of thumb..you can take a fighter to his championship fight in 2 yrs?(or after about 20 fights or so),if the guy has great talent and good team behind him?
    ..What is the #1 reason a fighter can get a title fight ALOT sooner than the other fighters outhere?..is it talent..connections..management?.i see it all the time..fighters that arent that good..get their chance faster...thnks
     
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    Why is it that some fighters take many years to get a title fight?..
    There are a few reasons, they may be too tough, or not worth the risk unless forced too, in other words high risk little pay.
    With Spinks he was an Olympian and Ali was looking for a payday with Michael Moorer his first title was against a guy who lost his two previous fights one via a ko loss to a 13-0 guy, the other was a dec loss in a WBA title fite. a great example of a weak challenger. .
    ..What is the #1 reason a fighter can get a title fight ALOT sooner than the other fighters outhere?..is it talent..connections..management?.
    Could be a combination of all three, depends on who is the champion, example, Oscar D, his first title was against a weak champion, then add that the fighter puts butts in the seats that helps alot.
    i see it all the time..fighters that arent that good..get
    The champion in that case is just looking for a safe payday
     
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    Ok..
    But doesnt the boxing org. requires that the champ fights the next guy in the ranks?.(or at least from the top 3)...
    ..why did Buster Douglas fight Holyfield right away?.(when it was obvious Holyfield was in a dif.league)..when Douglas could of taken an easier opponent.get some easy $...and look good against ..and build himself up...and.. THEN .. get alot more money .against Holyfield..
    Thnks demps.
     
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    What should an amateur do if they want to turn pro but the gym they train at strictly trains amateurs such as a PAL? Especially if they want to move to a new city. What advice would you give to find a gym, trainer, manager, and promoter?
     
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    Depends on where you want to go, and your experience its easier in a big city, do some research on the place you are thinking of moving to. A google search would be a good place to start. Visit or call the gym and ask questions, its not going to be easy, cos when you call a gym they will swear they can provide everything you need, in that case you will have to check their resume or history. I would suggest visiting the gym and talking to the trainers and fighters don't settle for one opinion. As for managers that can be tricky you have to cut through the BS. Promoters may find you cos if you are good the local promoter will seek you out. If you want more specific advice PM me. Good luck
     
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    The simple answer da money, Buster I believe earned 25 million for that fight. The Duva's in reality bought the title. The Organizations do what they want and will make "allowances" in certain cases if you know what I mean.
     
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    I was thinking NYC and I looked at a couple of gyms. The ones that seem legit are Morris Park Boxing Gym, Gleasons Gym, and Juan Laporte Boxing Club. Thanks for the advice
     
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    i got you.
     
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    Lesson learned? Nah, while managers are blinded by the golden carrot and in a big hurry to get on big shows and HBO they expose their fighters as being just average. Two Olympians with glossy records, Oscar Valdez(16-0, 14ko's) and Joseph Diaz (17-0, 10ko's)both got a chance to appear on HBO, both fought veterans.
    Both were exposed as being not ready for prime time though they both won their fights. The two veterans who came in as a sacrifice gave the Olympians more then they bargained for. Both are young fighters who have a future were put on display too soon, or against the wrong opponents. The manager as well as the promoter need to understand that some fighters need time to mature.
    Julio Cesar Chavez sr, an ATG, had 37 pro fights before he got his shot.
     
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    ..yea..ive seen many times that a fighter is put in the ring waaay too soon..you ask youself what the trainer was thinking.their managers and triners want to hurry their project..and then end up messing up boxers record..(Algeiri just one of many examples.imo)..
    Than theres the trainers that are overly carefull.just trying to add wins to his fighters record.(JC Chavez jr).then when they start facing good opposition...thats when you see the the kind of quality the trainer did with his fighter..if you want quality..it shouldnt be rushed..i guess its a fine line....i wont forget. what mexican trainer.
    don Nacho Bereinstan.said---"taking a kid from the street to a championship fight,is a bag of tricks"..
    ..wich meant you(trainers/managers) gotta do alot of smart moves for the fighter...the right decisions.know how fast to advance him..etc...
    Cus theres alot of pitfalls.
     
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    Demps..seems your very knowledgable in boxing biz..(thnks for sharing your knowldg with us)
    ..how long did it take you to have your first champ?..who was it?..
    Without rushing things and with a good trainer and manager..after how many bouts should a fighter with great talent be ready for championship opportunity?..if the job was done right..(i know it depends on alot of things..just rule of thmb)
     
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    Jesus Chavez was my first hands on champ before that I was an advisor. I learned the biz from the ground up, alotta years.
    The reason I started this thread is cos I saw that there were a lot of kids who had dreams, and skills to do something and then they get screwed one way or the other and the dreams fade into regrets that last a lifetime.
     
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    It takes a fighter at least 4-5 yrs of seasoning, could be more or less. It also depends on who the opponent is. Really it boils down to when the fighter is ready, who decides when he is ready? The promoter, the manager and the fighters team. But like in all things there has to be a voice of reason, somebody to say "hold on here". Too many times money dictates when the time is right but you have to ask for who is the time right?? I am very problematic and wont accept just any fight no matter the money.