Great fighters who became average when moved up in weight

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously Bob Foster, a great long-reigning LHW champion of the world, failed against all top HWs.

    What are the other examples of great fighters who better had to stay at one division and never move up?
     
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  2. Estes

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    Wilfredo Gomez seems the quintessential example.
     
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  3. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually he lost to 2 Atgs at 126 in Sanchez and Nelson.
     
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  4. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Michael Moorer.
     
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  5. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Winning THE heavyweight championship of the world makes you average?
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

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    Bob Foster
     
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  7. Balder

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    Spinks
     
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  8. Balder

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    Hearns lost a lot as he moved up.

    JC Chavez could not quite make up the differences.

    ODH. is another...
     
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  9. 2piece

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    Hearns won a title in every weight class he was in sure he lost some fights and wasn't a monster like he was at 147 and 154, but he was still good and very far from average.
     
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  10. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Spinks and Moorer don't qualify. They won the HW championship of the world against great fighters.

    Hearns too, he won the titles at 160, 168 and 175 against the top boxers.

    Surely they weren't as dominant as in 'their' weight, but still were able to beat the best.
     
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  11. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hatton, although closer to very good than great, clearly wasn't the same force at 147.

    Qawi's record at heavyweight isn't fantastic.
     
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  12. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    there is a difference though from a guy moving up who already has the Height so the extra weight puts him on even terms with the boys in the heaver division, compared to fighters who really are Smaller men, where the little bit extra weight doesn't help because of the height & reach problem.

    too many people get stuck on weight and overlook the determining reality of height & reach verses bigger men, this is the main hurdle, not a handful of pounds either side.

    the Hearn's & Fosters would be expected to fair better than say a Hagler.

    though there are the odd exceptions like a Langford or Qawi.., but MOST of the time the Height & Reach discrepancy nullifies any extra weight for the smaller fighters.
     
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  13. heerko koois

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    Donald Curry......
     
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    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  15. PowerPuncher

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    Willie Pep, just too small for LW.
     
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