FOTC Frazier v Tokyo Douglas?

Douglas in on the same level as Bugner or Mathis even.
He might extend Frazier a few rounds and have his moments but Frazier was tear him up over a championship distance, 12 or 15.

 

When did Douglas prove that he punched harder than Ali? Douglas was anything but a puncher, I don't think he was as a good a puncher as Ali, and absolutely not a better one.

 

Ref couldn't of been helping Douglas as Eddie Hearn was to young to be promoting him

 

Not shabby at all, better than I would do for sure! But its less than 60%, which is around what Ali had. But I think you and me both know that you shouldn't put to much stock in those numbers. Ali became somewhat featherfisted as he grew older and he lost his explosiveness, stopping only two guys in ten fights after Manilla. Douglas on the other hand was lazy and that probably drags down his number.

I would argue that Ali, at his best, was sharper, harder and simply better puncher than was Douglas, and that he proved this by stopping Foreman, Liston, Bonavena, Frazier, Lyle and so on. Now, I know he wasn't his absolute best for the FOTC, but he was still pretty great and, in my opinion, a much better puncher than Douglas.

I don't think this is a bad match up, Douglas was a great boxer that night and should be considered. I just think it is daft to go with Douglas on account of his punching power.

 

On their best day, yes perhaps they would.

Yeah, maybe. Frazier still beats him down though.

 

He looked just as good against Mike Williams in 1988, in my opinion.
He outboxed Berbick and McCall very clearly in 1989.
Those two weren't scintillating performances but that's perhaps due to style match ups. They just plodded along and got outboxed.
Tyson made Douglas fight a more 'exciting' fight.

I'm not suggesting the Tyson fight wasn't the best of Douglas, but I think people overblow his level to make out he was "levels above" what he'd been before. It's a myth.
He had shown himself to be a solid boxer with a very good jab on several occasions previously.

 

Yes.

And considering that Tokyo Douglas won EVERY round (except last 20 seconds of round 8) I can see Douglas from Williams, McCall and Berbick fights gives that version of Tyson extremely tough fight and has very good chance of winning it.

 

Douglas does not have a record of knocking down, stopping or knocking out his contender opponents.

Mike Williams was a fringe contender he dropped (with jabs) and stopped, but Williams wasn't the most durable or well balanced fighter.

Outside of Tyson, I can't recall any genuine top level fighters Douglas really hurt, but I might just be failing to remember.

 

I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Obviously Tyson is Douglas's best win.
Douglas looked very good against Mike Williams who had just given a very good version of Witherspoon a close fight.
Douglas also looked good against other contenders.
Top 10 opponents, or thereabouts.

My only point is that sometimes some people seem to assume that "Tokyo Douglas" was magnitudes greater than any other version of Douglas.
I think that is wrong. The media created that probably because they were so dismissive of him as a contender and a challenger.
I'm not attributing that thought process to you or the question of this thread, but just acknowledging it.