FOTC Frazier v Tokyo Douglas?

True. But one of the reasons Douglas looked so amazing and didn't quit at any point was because Tyson wasn't doing some of the things that he needed to do to stop him in his tracks. Buster's jab played a big role in that fight, and a jab that Tyson wasn't slipping the way that Frazier would. Tony Tucker and Jesse Ferguson were hitting Douglas with left hands regularly in their fights with him, and through slipping the jab and coming up with the left hook, Joe Frazier could have gotten a lot done that evening. Couple this with the fact that Joe was capable of going 15 rounds while remaining in high gear for all of them and had one of the greatest trainers of all time in his corner ( and one who specialized in breaking down rangy boxer types ) and I have to favor smoke.

 

Fair enough response. But I thought Douglas' jab in that fight was outstanding, but since this wasn't the normal Tyson we're use to seeing it's hard to gauge his performance and extrapolate it to a mythical match up.

One thing I did notice was the amount of punishment he inflicted on Tyson before he knocked him out. I don't think Frazier would have dealt with the clean hits Tyson received, but he might not have had to. Going 15 rounds, isn't really a big issue for me, because Tyson could have gone 15 that night and it wouldn't have mattered, he would have lost by points by the 10th. It really boils down to whether or not Frazier could have constantly slipped that jab and if so, could have landed more on the inside than Douglas could. Douglas' fought a pretty good inside fight that night, by anyone's estimation.

 

Irrelevant.. Neither Tyson nor Frazier's ability to beat Douglas would be contingent upon who had the better chin, but rather who wasn't there to be hit. Slipping the jab and coming up with a ripping left hook was what Joe did best. Tyson couldn't that that evening and that's why he lost.

No.. He wouldn't avoid "all" of the punches thrown at him. But he'd sure as hell get hit less, and he wasn't one to quit or get demoralized when he did get tagged.

Frazier getting hit and having his face showing the effects depended greatly on who he was fighting. Only two men ever defeated him and they are men who rightfully rate far and above Douglas.. One of those men was even beaten by Frazier and struggled mightily in their next two meetings to return the favor.

Yes.. I do. And so do most people. Incidentally Douglas was never revered as a big hitter going into that fight. It was only after what he did to Tyson that people started respecting him as a guy who could crack, but WHO does that really say something about?

Irrelevant... If raw strength had anything to do with it then BOTH Tyson and Frazier would have lost more fights than they actually did.

Irrelevant... Tyson and Frazier's performances against Douglas would be decided on HOW the fight was fought on THAT evening. Tyson was tactically unprepared where as assuming Joe showed up in FOTC mode with Futch in his corner you'd see a very different set of results.

 

A likewise fair response.

 

Laughable responses.....Foremans glancing blows are harder than Douglas's flush leveraged rights.....no reason to go any further , the non sense one reads on this forum from arm chair pistoleros who never saw a gym from the inside is mind boggling.

 

I admire the performance that James Douglas gave us in February of 1990 and agree that he was definitely an able bodied heavyweight...... But this "Tokyo Douglas" thing has gotten out of hand. I mean sure he was someone who had the right set of tools to upset "some" fighters and on "certain" evenings. But lately he's been hailed as the strait up favorite in a lot of fantasy fights with proven ATG's and frankly I think that's being a tad too generous...

 

Not when you don't even bother to read someone's response the way you clearly haven't .. I agree.

 

Arm chair Pistoleros... LMAO. Who is this clown.. FYI, I belong to two fitness clubs and at one of them take self defense classes which involves sparring with boxing gloves and head gear.. I've also been a boxing fan for close to thirty years.. If you think your comment about Buster Douglas hitting harder than GEORGE FREAKIN FOREMAN negates anything I or anyone else has said, then run with it for humor value if nothing else.....

God has this place gotten slummy over the years.

 

It's an interesting fight. I don't think either man was ever quite so good as when Douglas fought Tyson and Frazier fought Ali.
I think a large reason for that is that both were incredibly focussed and ready mentally.
Douglas was known as lazy and less than motivated a lot of the time yet showed no fear and was extremely well prepared against Tyson, and Joe would have walked through walls to beat Ali that night he did.
Honestly, I think it's close. Buster Mathis did fairly well against Frazier until he started gassing and in my opinion Douglas in Tokyo was better than Mathis.
He was sharp, hungry, motivated and displayed excellent all-round skills.

The big question-and one Tyson never asked-is would Douglas pass the gut check that Frazier would give him?

If Joe, whom I assume would get the worst of it early since he never started fast abd may have trouble with Douglas' reach and height advantages, could still be there by the halfway mark without taking too much punishment, then I think things would become very interesting as intangibles would start coming into play.
Tyson also did not test Douglas to the body;I assume Joe would.
But it's a tough call...Douglas' jab at it's best was a ramrod and his uppercut-the punch that basically finished Tyson-would be a potent weapon.

 

The need for you to post your "resume" on a public forum to enhance your credentials is all I need to size you up...carry on....self defense classes,lol, pure gold right there.