Fitzsimmons gave up 39lb to Jeffries. Langford only gave up 29lb to Johnson

Yeah, that would be the record. The fight itself was terrible. Haye ran and only risked something in the 12th round, perhaps because he felt the fight was close. One judge had it a draw. Maybe that would have been best.

I felt Haye edged it. 7-5

David Haye: 98 punches landed 143 thrown ( less than 12 punches thrown per round, terrible )

Nikolai Valuev: 64 punches landed 390 thrown ( terrible connect rate ).

 

"Not only who you beat but when"
Pity he didn't mention that his hero Jeffries feasted on old men coming out of retirement.

 

You still haven't quite grasped the nettle here.

Somebody had to be the best contender in the world between Jeffries winning the title in 1899, and 1903 when you say Johnson takes up the mantle.

Who was it, or which people was it?

 

Denver Ed Martin beat:
Russell
Griffin
Klondike
Childs
Armstrong
Ferguson
In that time frame.


During that period
Corbett beat Kid McCoy in a fake fight.

 

To be fair to Corbett, Kid McCoy beat Choynski (just before Choynski KOd Johnson), Tommy Ryan and Dan Creedon so he had some form. There are no guarantees that the fight was faked, it was a good win.

Denver Ed Martin had a good claim until 1903 when his run was derailed by Choynski victim Jack Johnson, as well as McVey and Armstrong (who had lost to Jeffries)

 

Correct. By the way Corbett vs McCoy was a hard fight according to the papers with both men landing their best. Not likely a fix.

 

It was a fake fight ,how is that a good win?

It has been said that this was the last bout conducted under the Horton Law. It was also reported that this bout, among others, deemed "fake," caused the repeal of the Horton Law


00-08-30
Charles Kid McCoy

71​

5​

10
W
KO 5/25
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W
KO
5/25


Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
It seems certain that McCoy faked the knockout loss to win bets
referee: Charlie White


The first Choynski v McCoy fight was thought to have been faked by some too.
Amid cries of "fake" Referee Hogan announced both had a agreed to a draw if no knockout at end of six rounds. Boston Globe. McCoy however, scored the only knockdown of the fight, putting Joe down in the 3rd, and most believed the Kid had done enough to deserve the decision


Lets assume it was on the level ,the fight was 3 years before Corbett fought Jeffries.How then is that relevant to his form when he challenged Jeffries since he did not fight between those times ?
Corbett was totally washed up by 1900 let alone 1903 he had eye trouble for one thing. He had no business in the ring, let alone a getting second title shot.
He got it because Jeffries had run out of decent white opponents
not because he deserved it because he emphatically didn't. McCoy did not beat Choynski "just before Choynski beat Johnson", there was a years gap between the fights.



http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85058396/1918-02-09/ed-1/seq-46/​

 

Denver Ed Martin was a good contender, but nearer the level of Sharkey and Ruhlin, than that of Fitzsimmons.

As for the Corbett McCoy fight, there is conflicting evidence regarding whether it was fixed.

 

Even if it was kosher it happened THREE YEARS EARLIER!

Martin was beating all the black contenders the others like Corbett,Fitz ,Ruhlin, and Sharkey would not fight !
What level Fitz was at is hard to determine as he had been in a 2 years retirement:huh

 

If Martin was splitting a series with Bob Armstrong, he was not better than the Fitzsimmons that destroyed Ruhlin and Sharkey.

If Jeffries had stayed retired after the first Corbett fight, Fitzsimmons would have got the tile back.

 

That isn't the Fitzsimmons that Jeffries fought is it? Jeffries made him wait 2 more years before he gave hima chance to regain the title! I don't know how I can make this any more clearer!

 

He chose to wait two more years, and even then, he was almost certainly the best contender in the world.

 

No he didn't, you need to read his biography,instead of giving Jeffries a free pass for not defending against him for 2 years.
Just as Fitz should have rematched Corbett but didn't because he hated him and Corbett had made him wait years for a shot ,even retiring at one point and putting up Maher as Champ.

After Fitz ko'd Maher, Corbett had no choice but to come back.
After Fitz kod the other two outstanding contenders in two weeks Ruhlin and Sharkey he didn't get his shot he had to wait 2 years for it
Them's the facts!.