Harry Greb vs Roy Jones Jr

People must forget how awful he made Toney look. Roy also made various legitimate light-heavyweight titlists look like trash. His explosiveness and ring movement would have seemed superhuman back in the day.

 

Yes his win over Toney was very impressive, but outside of that, his resume against the best of his era is a bit thin.

 

Always good to hear a well-balanced, unbiased opinion from someone who really knows, what he's talking about!

 

Oh wow, two marquee wins. Wow. Grebs resume for a year could easily **** all over jones' entire career and the two names on it. Nevermind that Hopkins was a nobody and years pre prime when they fought and tiberi and thadzi proved beating toney didnt make you great.

 

I'd have liked to see the fight and don't see the mismatch so many here claim .. at 168 or so Jones had exceptional speed, power and defense .. Greb was not a puncher .. does it go Jones - Paz or Jones - Johnson .. it would be interesting ..

 

The thing is, we don't have to rely on RJJ's resume to gauge how amazing he was.

And are we really going to play the "Bum A gave Fighter B a tough fight so therefore beating Fighter B doesn't mean anything" game?

 

I would say that is very fortunate for him.

 

No beating Toney alone doesn't, but winning titles in 4 different weightclasses facing guys from 160 to 240 pounds does. Are you confident, that your Greb could do that? And obviously Jones resume would have looked different had he stayed at 160-168 instead of moving up to face much bigger guys. And since we're not talking resumes, how would Greb win the fight? The footage i've seen gave the impression of a tough guy with little technique and no footwork, i just think boxing has developed so much since then..

 

Obviously there are so many uncertainties in any fight of this nature.

While Roys speed is on camera for all to see and clearly a level above most if not all of his opponents, it it fair to say that Grebs speed was also also a level above all of his opponents, and theoretically he should be equally as fast as Jones? Or at least he was in his own era.

Also, who has the edge in power (comparing to their contemporaries). I would have thought Jones hit the harder. Is this fair?

Workrate definitely an advantage to Greb?

Chin, i would have thought advantage to Greb?

Stylistically, Jones wouldnt like someone coming at him with as many punches as Greb throws would he? And certainly not someone as quick or quicker than himself.

This seems a tough fight for Jones to win, i would have thought.

 

You suspect that Greb was as fast as Roy Jones Jr.?

 

:rofl I agree that the film I have seen on Greb definitely doesnt flatter him but it doesnt really hurt him either.

I also feel pretty confident in saying that under no circumstances (even if given the title fights) whatsoever could Greb have possibly reigned in 4 weight classes. Heavy, Light heavy and middle if given the appropriate fights maybe, but i cant see him squeezing down to welterweight to gain number 4.

I think you might have more valid points than i am sure others are going to give you credit for.

 

I think so and suspect so, but the likes of Klompton and Janitor would have a much better idea than me and i may just have his style wrong because it is hard to gauge especially without film.

But, when i think of speed, i see someone like Ali as a cut above his contemporaries. Jones Jr as well. Possible Ray Leonard as well or Tyson even. I think there is that extra level that most ATGs have.

Others excel in attributes such as pure combination throwing like Joe louis or Stamina and workrate like Marciano. I am not sure whether Grebs excelling is speed or workrate or both even.

I get the impression that his speed (compared to contemporaries) stands out in the same way that Jones' does. Though as i said i am happy to be proven wrong by some of the other more knowledgeable posters on this subject.

 

Prime Greb wins on points...

 

And your argument that Toney alone dosent but him winning 4 titles without naming who he beat and you citing weight shows you might be a big Jones fan or a clueless fan. Who he beat is more important than just titles and weight. Who did he beat that weighed 240 pounds anyway

Btw the 4 title arguments are so stupid and uneven

Since Jones was draining at middleweight when he won his middleweight title and since super middleweight wasnt a divison when Greb fought comparing is uneven

Making it even, If Jones had Grebs era rules and divisions he would have only won titles at lightheavy and heavy. (well also since there were the multiple titles and if there was only 1 title for the best heavyweight it would have been Lewis not Ruiz who was champ, so Jones beating Ruiz would have been him beating a contender most likely)
So then only 1 title at lightheavyweight.

And if Greb had Jones' rules and divisions he could have got titles in atleast 4 divisions. Maybe more

And btw this is a H2H fight not a resume or weight class discussion, if it was about resume Jones would be slaughtered. His 4 titles arent as impressive as you are making it out to be, especially if youre saying it puts him near Greb resume wise?

Jones beat Hop and Tate at middle, more impressive than M.Gibbons, Walker, Dillon x2 etc etc? no

Beat Toney at super middle, Toney was tailor made for Jones to beat like Barkley was tailor made for Toney to beat

Beat 40 year old fat former 154 McCallum and Griffin for the lightheavy, more impressive than what Greb did at lightheavy? nope, Greb owned lightheavy in his era

Then beat Ruiz (one of the worst heavyweight champs), giving up 27 pounds. Impressive, eh, weight wise maybe, size isnt everything, is Ruiz that great? no

wtf, so Greb has to squeeze down to welter to get the 4th title which you cant see him doing yet Jones won one of his 4 in a division that wasnt even around when Greb fought and was inbetween middle and lightheavy (where Greb mostly fought at weight wise) while also benefiting from day before weigh ins...
:? that logic atsch

Read post above about the 4 title discussion you guys keep bringing up

 

Atleast make the argument for technique and skills developing not physical things like power that people around Grebs time had, speed which did exist 100 years ago and accuracy which was around then too.

Jones does have amazing speed and power and accuracy which Greb would have been surprised with. But Grebs style is something that Jones would be surprised with too.

Jones does best against guys he can box and choose when to throw against. Grebs style is one of the worst for Jones to go against and work against. Hes not gonna get the best opportunities against his style that he usually would.

Saying mismatch is way overshooting