Marciano's Body Frame could easily be Tua and Tyson

Then you are talking about weight draining before a fight which has become even more of a modern science than weight gain. Michael Moorer was a walkaround 220 guy who made 175. In MMA today, we have 200 pound guys who look in good shape at 200 making lightweight! There are coaches whose only job is to hit the weight limit off a dramatic plummet. You are talking about a different issue entirely.

It has nothing to do with era. It has to do with physical body type and fighting style. I would contend that guys like Jack Sharkey or Max Baer would look a bit different today and it would be to their benefit... Based on styles and body types. Meanwhile, I don't think Jack Johnson gets any better by being more than 210. Based on his style and body type.

Marciano's strengths were pace, stamina and his squirrelly flexibility both at range (severe crouching and ducking from the waist) and in the clinch. Any benefit in additional strength and power he would get from added bulk would be to the detriment of all the above. It is both his style and his body type. Truncated limbs, narrow shoulders, wider hips... He doesn't have enough frame to pack on any pounds that would be terribly useful, especially over the distance of a fight.

 

Go back to digging coal ( sorry my mistake, we could import it cheaper than paying you Northern parasites to get it up 3 months after it was needed ) racing pigeons, and eating fried fat.

Lets try again you Northern muppet. It was stated Marciano walked around at 215. I remarked he looked like a fat Italian guy in a suit, whereas Tyson and Tua didn't look at all fat at that weight, or even 10lbs heavier.

You came back with a typical moronic northern response saying that Tua was fat. And to prove your idiocy, you post a pic of Tua weighing at least 250.

And you wonder why us " southern softies " consider you to be nothing more than halfwits.:roll::roll:

 

I will try to make it as simple as possible, so that even idiots like you and Perry can grasp it. Marciano looked fat at 215. It took guys like Tua, and Tyson to weight 250 to appear similarly fat, despite the ramblings of Marciano fan boys claiming that all 3 were of a similar stature, in height, and wingspan at least.

Now go to Curry's or PC world on your way back from Specsavers, buy yourself a calculator, and do the math.

 

I don't see how any reasonable person could disagree with this...

 

Such emphasis on size, weight, muscularity. People who really know this sport would make these topics the last thing to discuss when discussing greatness as a fighter. Marciano would crush fighters regardless of size because he could FIGHT. He like Dempsey, Louis, Ali etc were very special uniquely talented fighters. Weight, size and muscularity has little to do with it.

 

Well when Rocky fought Archie i believe at weigh in Moore was two pounds heavier.
But in spite of that Moore was still a true light heavyweight while Rocky was a
true heavyweight..Even Roy Jones junior weighs 190 pounds he's not gonna be a true heavyweight like a 190 pound Rocky is Thats why a 220 pound fighter could never dominate
and use that extra 30 lbs to bully a 190 pound Rocky like he could a 190 pound Jones or Moore because underneath it
all Rockys a true heavyweght like Dempsey is Thats why Fulton couldn't bully
Dempsey like he could Langford neither could 230 pound Morris cause Dempsey's a true heavyweight underneath it all...
When Dempsey fought Willard in their clinches Willard couldn't shove Dempsey away in spite of huge weight advantage like he could have shoved Moore or Jones even they were fighting at Dempseys weight cause they are not true heavyweights like Jack and Rocky are.

 

I agree. Marciano, Louis and Ali did not depend on musculature for their greatness. It was not the fashion in their time.

But Janitor has a point. Why is it the "muscle fans" think Marciano is the only guy who could not develop mass successfully if he lived in modern times?

There are so many many examples on all shaped and sized fighters doing this successfully Vinny Pazienza included.

Again, I'm not saying a great fighter particularly needs it but why is only one fighter excluded from the possibility?

Seamus still won't get back to me about Orlin Norris not being a relevent Heavyweight when he challenged me on his career saying that Norris had not featured in the Ring Magazine annual ratings.

And Mcvey has ignored the proof I provided that Norris weighed just as heavy (with the same height and reach) as that modern colossal disproportionate Pacific Island phenomena David Tua.

 

not only is that the wrong sport, it's cheating at its worse. This is talking about the dehydration cheating nonsense that is so common place now it's in the open.

I imagine this proves David Tua makes lightweight as well since he was 201lb on his debut?

Well done. Your argument falls flat.

 

True.

 

**** me you Southern Softies wouldn't have the ***** to go down a pit you glassed backed fairies.....

Tua was fat making his debut at 201lb, am I right or am I right you inbred rodent, now run along and go eat some jellied eels you freaky ****.. :rofl:rofl

 

It's not cheating at all. The same coaches are employed by boxers. They are called Diet Coaches.

Come again when you know what you're talking about.

 

yup, that's why I said it was "so common place that it's in the open".

It is also why so many fighters are not in the right division and why weight categories have almost become a farce. Weight categorization was not invented so that fight night was a different weight than the official weigh in.

But then you think it's ok and fair for David Tua to fight lightweights since fit 200lb men (like Tua was on his debut) can make lightweight in the UFC.

Come again when you can admit Orlin Norris really was rated for two whole years running at heavyweight in the Annual Ring Magazine ratings. That Norris really had as great a heavyweight resume as he had at cruiser since he beat three heavyweight champions. Norris was the only contender to feature in two full years of the that decade not to get a shot at a title. Quick Tillis was the only belt holder challenger of the 1980s not to wind up champion so it's a fair chance Norris could have been a belt Holder too.

Norris was robbed many more times as a heavyweight because he did not punch hard enough to be considered worth while by the people who ran boxing. But his physical size and weight and the use of going up and down successfully proves the point against your argument.

 

And he looked a bit smooth, pudgy and thick-waisted in every fight above 175.

I'm not sure what the extra weight did for him, but then he admitted to being a food addict and a glutton.

I'd say 190, 195 would have been a good weight for him.

 

If people think a 186 pound Marciano would lose to the Trevor Berbicks, Tyrell Biggses and Bonecrusher Smiths of this world, then really are delusional.

 

Exactly. It's ludicrous.