Irish Boxing

beers in on the countdown to frampton 2nite:good

 

Lets have a 'United Ireland" approach - at least for tonight - c'mon the Jackal.....:happy

(Hope it goes better for him than Barry's attempt to break the US market..atsch I still cant understand exactly HOW this is better than earning £1,500,000 for Quigg though....)

 

With that logic, I hope youre not working for yourself or in business Dutchie - for your own sake....:good

So... predictions - How will the two fights at 122 go?

 

cummings won by KO 2nite:happy:good:good

 

carl not 2 hot 2nite:verysad:good:good

 

Styles....and physiques ...make fights. OK at first glance it LOOKED bad - but a lot to like about Carls performance, Toughnesss, grit, fantastic jab etc
I wouldnt panic just yet. That guy Gonzalez will probably end up at lightweight.

Quigg lucked out with ko 2 on the record books but for a round and a half he was being seriously out-hustled by Kiko.

 

think he should take the quigg fite then move up to feather ... i noticed wee barry looked a little worried when carl was doing his post fight interview and complaining about weight making issues... maybe theres the beginning of a rift in that camp... listening and reading about mcguigan in the past he seemed a ruthless individual ... what he did to eastwood n all... maybe frampton is going to do the same to him:good

 

Well obviously managers dont like fighters shooting from the lip in the heat of the moment, Fra. Particularly when any talk of 'preparation problems' is possibly casting aspersions on his own son Shane who is Carls trainer, no? Thats understandable in fairness, dont you agree?

I agree NOW is the time to fight Quigg - catch him off guard.

I cant believe the stupid hysteria surrounding both fights last night. Knee-jerk responses from VERY short-sighted fans.(Overhyping Quigg & Underselling Frampton).
I am more confident now that Carl beats Quigg than I was before last night. Of course I rate Quigg very highly - and have always believed he is a tough nights work for anyone.

No word from Irish fans on here yet about it.....

 

Frampton performed well in my opinion despite a bad start.
Didn't look hurt by either kd seemed more caught of balance. Was a decent fight too. Fair play to Quigg thought he would ko Martinez with a body shot but that was a peach and he did what he had to to and sets up the anticipation nicely now if they can both agree to a fight.
Anyone see Cummings fight?

 

of course managers dont like that... but the nature of the knock downs look strange and carl was searching for answers ... to me he was caught cold... im not sure about the weight making as being the sole problem... as duke mckenzie sais carl is only 5 ft 4".... so it shouldnt be that hard to make the weight:think...carl should take the quigg fite ... its time to shut up the SKY/matchroom sycophants for good:good

 

You beat me to it. Yes indeed - "triangle theory" definitely does NOT apply to boxing.... good point.

 

The question I would ask is -does Carl REALLY NEED all that muscle. Shane MC keeps saying how Carl is getting stronger and stronger and is squatting twice his own bodyweight etc etc . Surely this is adding a lot of superfluous muscle/weight - particularly onto his legs/thighs/backside? Is it really necessary for a boxer?
Looks at all the greats who had/have thin legs - GGG at present for example.
Its time to reexamine everything.
Bring in a dietician/nutritionist, incorporate more training/conditioning that sheds weight rather than adds it ....eg stretching/ running/cycling/swimming and less weight-lifting etc etc - he should only go to 126 as an absolute last resort IMO.

Thi is the real issue/crisis that Carl is facing.
He really needs to stay at 122 if at all humanly possible.
Being a big superbantam is far preferable to being a small featherweight.
I know its "only" 4 pounds but ATGs eg Wilfredo Gomez have failed to successfully move up from 122 to 124. For some reason that gap/step from 122-126 seems almost impossible to bridge.

 

I'm not so sure that a complete training overhaul is required because of last night's performance. He has become very powerful because of a lot of that explosive strength training. Heavy squats, etc. are vital to maintain that power that he's built up.

However! I do agree that he could do with losing some muscle IF the weight really is an issue. I'd be more inclined to look at his chest, in terms of making a change. Very little punching power comes from the chest, and one look at Carl's pecks will tell you that he is carrying A LOT of muscle there (especially for a SBW).

Maybe his diet needs to be looked at? Is he on such a high protein diet that it's near impossible NOT to stack on muscle with the type of training he does? I know I've heard before that Paddy Barnes has ridiculously good figures in terms of personal bests in squats etc. But he obviously has a diet that doesn't allow him to put on too much muscle (therefore ensuring that he's gaining in strength but not in muscle).

Remember - strength ≠ muscle

 

Carl looked good after the bad first round Carl took over the fight and dominated the fight with his jab. He boxed well. You cant blame him from not looking to go toe to toe with the lad after the first round.
His worst preformance but he still won easy in the end. Will we see Carl preparing like that again for his next fight i doubt it very much. Will we see Carl more motivated to put on a show and to show people he is back yes. Will it be Quigg , Rigo or Santa Cruz after this fight they will all be wanting to fight Carl and making any deal should be easy. Be interested to see what they do. My money is on a Santa Cruz fight in the US in November easier for it to be made and big money for a real unification fight if Santa Cruz retains. IF Santa Cruz loses then Quigg will be made. I just cant see Carl moving up just yet.
Quigg good KO as others have said Kiko had the better of the fight up until the KO. A boxer who can box and has power too will cause Quigg nightmares.

 

Well said. Thing is though, what do you mean by "preparing like that again"?. Its doubtful Carl skimped in training, Leighton and maybe there is nothing he can do about it, he may just have outgrown the 122 division. Then he is in trouble. Thats the worry.

Carl is talking about the Odessy next. Santa Cruz was sittting just a few feet from where Carl was dropped in round 1 - will it have emboldened him? Funnily enough I dont think so -I dont think LSC realised that Carl can adjust like he did in a fight, box that well behind the jab etc. I think he had envisioned Carl as a lot more of a one-dimensional slugger. Leo may actually have been put off by what he saw for rounds 2-12. Be interesting to see what happens alright.