orlin Norris vs Quick Tillis?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Orlin Norris, the only 1980s heavyweight contender to get annual ring magazine rankings two years running NEVER to get a crack at any heavyweight belt versus:

    James Quick Tillis, the only 1980s challenger of a belt not worn by Larry Holmes NEVER to wind up holding a belt himself...
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I would be interested to see how folks see this fight go?
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dunno it's close. Quick ( who sometimes wasn't) is an odd fellow. He could look pretty good when he wanted to. He gave a good and up-and-coming Greg Page a good fight, decking Page but ending up a loser.
    He could have beaten Mike Weaver in their fight but was reluctant to engage and ended up again a loser. He stunned Weaver in the 14th but failed to press his advantage.
    I remember Angelo Dundee being so frustrated with Tillis in that fight because he knew Quick could have won it but failed to ignite that evening.
    In his veteran years he gave a ferocious Tyson a scare and gave a very good fight to prospect Johnny du Plooy before being stopped in the last round while ahead on the cards.

    I'm less well-versed on Norris but I was always quite impressed with him, particularly because at heavyweight he lacked both size AND power ( a serious drawback) yet he did quite well in that division.
    I think Norris was the craftier, more defensively compact fighter with the better chin.
    Tillis didn't have very good defensive skills and got hit quite a bit. Still, his handspeed was decent and he had pretty good movement for a big guy. Punching power doesn't really matter since neither was a puncher and both were durable enough to not get taken out quickly.
    I think Tillis would be inclined to lead and use his jab and foot speed for hit-and-run type tactics; Norris would stand in the pocket and try to counter for the most part.
    I think either could win this to be honest. I think Norris was more consistent but Tillis when not flittering away his advantages could be tough to beat.
     
  4. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    *adilson rodrigues was rated two years in the 80s at heavy and never got a shot
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Excellent post:good I agree with all of these points. I think it is a very even match and the styles match up really well and would make an entertaining fight for the purists.

    I lean toward Norris on points.
     
  6. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm going with Norris, who seemed to have more of a will to win. He won decisions against some decent names. Tillis barely beat an old Earnie Shavers, but I don't remember any other name victories on his record, and I don't feel like looking it up right now.
     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I've been watching as much of Norris' heavyweight fights as I can find on YouTube. I think he was robbed a lot when it went to the cards because there was no real mileage in Norris getting a title shot. He beat a very good 220lb Page. Evander Holyfeiled passed on a Norris fight pre title opting to fight Dokes instead. I watched him against Tony Tucker and Norris was well robbed. The Golota fight could have went either way too. Norris did not dominate anyone but was very hard to outbox. Most fights he kept very close.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Actually, believe it or not, Aldison Rodrigues held the WBF title.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know you love Norris, but the guy was a fringe top 10 heavyweight at best. So was Tillis. This would be a good matchup.

    Tony Tubbs easily outboxed Norris but failed the drug test so it was changed to a NC.

    Greg Page was in great shape for the Norris fight, but his speed and reflexes were nowhere near what they were in his prime. Watch Page's pre 1986 fights and you'll notice a big speed difference between prime page and the guy who fought Norris. Too bad he didn't come in at 220 in his prime. His career may have been much better.

    Prime Tillis wasn't as good as prime Tubbs, but was somewhat close to the 1989 version that outboxed Norris. Tillis would use his advantage in foot speed to box around the plodding Norris. Norris was not busy enough when faced with a good boxer. He was very economical with his punches when forced to lead. Tillis would build a lead with his jab and decent hook and right hand. He would probably gas, as he tended to do and Norris, who always had pretty good stamina would come on and try to make an inside fight of it against a tiring Tillis. Tillis had pretty good survival tactics and Norris was not a big puncher, and Norris had a good chin, so I don't envision a ko either way. I honestly see this ending as a draw or split decision either way. If pressed, I'll go with Norris 6-4 or 96-94 in points.
     
  10. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Steffan Tagstedt ever hold a world title belt? I would be surprised if he did.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The guy beat three world HW champions. He was not exciting enough to cause any real demand but his resume was good. Better than a lot of guys with belts. Had he got the decision he deserved over Tucker who was 40-1 at that time Norris would have been #1. I would rate him as the equal of buster Douglas, Tony tubbs, Michael Dokes and better than Tucker, McCall and Page.

    yet one judge called it a draw. I think Norris was one of those guys who fought hard enough to keep rounds close. He left too much to interpretation rather than really press for dominance. Cooper knocked him out but most fights that went the distance were open to dispute. Even later fights with Golota and Neilsen.


    sometimes a guy only looks as good as the other fellow lets him. Page was in shape and on that night would have reversed many of his losses. A couple of years later he beat Bonecrusher Smith and gave razor Ruddock a good fight.

    can't argue with that.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    European champion. A belt of sorts.


    And never made it onto Ring Magazine annual ratings.
     
  13. Big Ukrainian

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    Agreed.

    Norris was robbed vs Tucker 1, he could've got the decision and fight for the title.

    Vs Golota it was well past-prime Norris and I believe prime Norris could beat Andrew.

    I think Norris was the best win on Bert Cooper's resume who beat Tillman, DeWitt, Fulilangi, Hipp, and some others but Norris was TOP-10 HW and NABF champion when Cooper stopped him.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes that was Bert Cooper 's best win. Bert could have been great but he had his troubles and was not always matched well enough was he?
     
  15. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've never seen the Cooper fight, but from reports at the time it was a freak knee injury that Norris got that resulted in the ko loss. He was not actually stopped in a traditional way. I think he was ahead on points too.