Harry Greb vs Roy Jones Jr

I am surprised no Greb supporter oppsed the comment that someone saw little technique & no footwork in Greb.

Also by in part describing the context of the very limited folm available. Should be said by one who knows more about Greb than me.

Jones power & speed should make it a match, but at least if near the same size. I go with the workrate, angeles & endurance of Greb,

HWs have much more advantages in the modern era, since nutritions sience/weight training & PEDS have made them much larger. And there are ways to maintain other elements when carrying more muscle.

But: at the same sizes, WHY would those in the past not haev comparable speed & power lb. for lb.?

What did Jones do to gain his abilities? I am aware of no revolutionary traing; like Ali he had preternatural speed & reflexes.
Greb & he likely had comparale speed. Jones may have had greater reflexes. But I much lower work rate.

And power? C'mon Fitzsimmons ALSO fought at both of their common weights! Did Jones hit even as hard as Fitz? MAYBE at HW, but I have no confidence in that.

A ncient boxers like Langford hit amongsst the hardest bs. for lb.
Marciano needed no modern training or weights to be a lb. for lb. monster.
Dempzey too in terms of power, some repoerts had him at 180 vs. Willard.

 

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You are being sarcastic, right?

 

Well, Greb wasn't going to knock out Jones. He didn't have a lot of power. And a prime Jones rarely got hit.

Greb didn't get stopped, either. He had a great chin, apparently. Plus, based on his sparring footage, he looked kind of "spazzy" in his attack. Just kind of hopped around and threw a lot trying to overwhelm you.

But Jones' feet were so fast back then, somebody rushing in - who didn't have a lot of power -who was trying to overwhelm him was going to get countered to death.

So, Jones via lop-sided decision. Along the way, we'd probably see Jones' "rooster punch" ... also the fake bolo followed by quick one-twos ... and enough body shots to slow Greb down quite a bit.

Jones via decision.

 

Whatever gives you that idea?

The thing is that Klompton has done more research, and knows more about the period in question, than all the rest of us put together. In other words, we're dealing with a man, who - thanks to his superior knowledge - is right all the time. And I mean ALL the time! How can we not admire someone like that?

 

It's pretty hard to say when there's no actual footage of Greb to be seen. His reputation is awesome, but styles make fights and RJJ isn't a pushover for anybody. Sooner, or later, however, some old dude is going to clean out his dad's attic, and a few reels will be at the bottom of a box ... :happy

 

I don't see eye to eye with Klompton on a lot of things, but you are lucky to have somebody with such an in depth knowledge of the period on the forum.

He is not a force to be underestimated.

 

Two points Danish:
By "240 lbs." you're referring to the plodding Ruiz?
"boxing has developed so much since then"
Couldn't agree more which goes back to my original comment. atsch
Klit might well have destroyed Dempsey.
Henry Armstrong would have been handed his **** on a plate against Leonard, Hearns, Duran?
Patterson would have folded like a chair against these big steroid thugs in the 21st century?
On and on and on....
I really don't know what else to say; I like mythical matchups but no one seems to take into context the eras.
I'm done, no one is listening to me....

 

We are listening to you, but you can't expect us to accept your position, simply because it sounds plausible.

 

Virgil Hill's aura bounced off his body from a Roy Jones Junior finger jab. Stuff only Superman got credit for...

 

I didnt mean transfer each of them into the others era. That is all hypothetical whereas just changing to the others eras weight rules and comparing what they really did is better. It was a point to just compare how people kept bringing up the 4 titles anyway.

I was clearing up what I though about people bringing up Jones 4 titles in comparing Jones resume to Grebs.

I did a bit in my post I thought. Grebs style is one of the worst for Jones', a guy that dosent let him sit back pick his shots and think. Rushing him and constantly making him adjust not giving him time to get his shots off like he likes and dictate the pace, making him work at the other guys pace not his. Grebs volleys of punches would have Jones shelling up more than fighting back. Jones main time to land and get his stuff going would be when Greb is on the outside before he goes in and throws his shots. I can see Jones landing there.

 

That Greb has the better resume is beyond argument. His 1919 alone is mind-boggling... and his overall career-resume is probably (maybe even undoubtably!) the best ever.

When we're talking h2h, I just don't know! I've never seen Greb fight, so how can I make a reasonable assessment? Other posters think they can, and if they believe Greb would be victorious, then that's fine.

However, the idea that this would be a complete mismatch, that Greb would make Roy **** his pants and chase him out of the ring "every day of the week and twice on Sunday"... sorry, but that sounds like a severe case of fanboyism to me!

 

This is like religion vs. science.

 

You forgot to add that in spite of Roy's busy schedule he would always make the time to remind everyone how he likes to think of himself as the greatest lb 4 lb of his era...