The best HOMEGROWN BRITISH heavyweights of all-time ?

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  1. Dubblechin

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    Akinwande's style is basically Wlad's style. And most find Wlad's style awful, too. But it's effective for tall guys.

    I don't know too many British heavyweights who would've ever beaten him.
     
  2. red cobra

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    Joe Bugner was born in Hungary if I'm not mistaken.
     
  3. red cobra

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    Tommy Farr and Henry Cooper.
     
  4. Warwick Hunt

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    How does Jack Bodell get in there?
     
  5. TBooze

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    He was, but his 'boxing education' was British, thus he qualifies for this debate. Someone like Lennox, who received his 'boxing education' predominately in Canada, but was born in the UK, would not.
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    In an era when Henry Cooper, Jack Bodell, Joe Bugner, Brian London, Billy Walker and Johnny Prescott were the big-name heavyweights in Britain, Bodell beat Walker, London, Bugner and Prescott. He just couldn't get past Cooper.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    Tommy Farr gave prime Joe Louis a good tough fight, 15 rounds.
    He also beat Max Baer and had a disputed decision loss to Braddock.

    That might not seem like much, but compared to the rest of the HW products of British boxing, it's enough to put him at #1 I believe.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    No, Bruno wasn't that good.
    Farr gave Louis problems, and also beat Baer.
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Well, it's not much. Because he lost to Louis and he lost to Braddock and he lost to Baer .... along with dozens of guys who were nobodies.

    Did you see the whole fight in which he beat Baer?

    British Pathe released two minutes of highlights ... and while the announcer is praising Farr, Baer is beating the **** out of his body.

    http://www.britishpathe.com/video/heavyweight-fight/query/Max

    If the British newsreels could only find this much footage of Farr landing, I wouldn't put too much stock in that win - considering Baer ended up beating him in the return, regardless.

    Farr lost to a ton of nobodies. And he lost to the names he faced, too.

    "Hanging tough" for the brief spell you were a heavyweight doesn't make you the number one guy. Telling people to ignore the nearly 40 losses on your record because you outpointed one former champ on your home turf doesn't make you special.

    That's an insult to the British heavyweights who actually beat name heavyweights and weren't beaten by every other pug put in front of them.
     
  11. janitor

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    Name heavyweights such as?
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, but who are they ?

    Bruno lost just about every time he stepped up. And then went back to being matched with bums and out-of-shape has-beens.
    If he was matched against the top fighters on a schedule like Farr was he wouldn't have lasted long either.

    Bugner's claim to fame is losing to Ali and Frazier.
    He also lost to several nobodies.

    Cooper lost to several nobodies. Beat Zora Folley and also got KO'd by him brutally, and beaten by several others. Lost to Ali twice. KO'd by Patterson brutally, KO'd by Johansson brutally.
    His claim to fame is flooring Clay on his way to losing.

    Farr started boxing professionally at 13, many of those losses happened when he was young and not grown, learning his craft. Not excuses, just fact.
     
  13. Dubblechin

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    He lost his entire career. He lost as a kid. He lost in his 20s. His 30s. He split a pair of fight with former champ Max Baer. Big deal.

    Danny Williams knocked out former champ Mike Tyson. He isn't number-one either.

    David Haye beat John Ruiz and Nicolay Valuev. And didn't lose to every bum put in front of him.

    What's so big about edging Max Baer at home? From the newsreels, it doesn't look like he even did that.

    Baer beat Primo "freaking" Carnera for the title and lost his title to a journeyman in his first defense. What's so awesome about beating him?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    What's so awesome about getting iced by James "Bonecrusher" Smith and a fat Tim Witherspoon ?

    .... and you rate Audley Harrison in the top 10 ! :lol:
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    Frank Bruno, Henry Akinwande, Gary Mason, David Haye, Herbie Hide, Joe Bugner, Henry Cooper ... hell, even that freaking monster Anthony Joshua beat little Tommy Farr - who got whipped by EVERYONE - at ANY point in Farr's career ... when Farr was a teen, when Farr was 20, when Farr was 30, when Farr was 40.

    Farr loses to them all ... just like he lost TO EVERYONE.

    Hell, head-to-head I'd take Horace Notice over Tommy Farr. Notice wasn't getting whipped by every schoolboy they put in front of him for a decade and he wasn't getting knocked out by journeyman in a couple rounds.