Best Fighters in History at 38 years old and older

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Not in order

    Bernard Hopkins 2003
    Jersey Joe Walcott 1952
    Archie Moore 1955
    Floyd Mayweather 2015
    Wladimir Klitschko 2014
    Vitali Klitschko 2009
    George Foreman 1991
    Sugar Ray Robinson 1960
    Larry Holmes 1992
    Bob Fitzsimmons 1902
    James Toney 2006
     
  2. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Good list, I'll add-

    Antonio Tarver
    Mike McCallum
    Evander Holyfield
    Thomas Hearns
    Hector Camacho
    Roberto Duran
     
  3. trail3

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    Bernard Hopkins...by at least a country mile.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Archie Moore beat Harold Johnson at 38 years old. Who did Hopkins beat on that level?
     
  5. trail3

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    I haven't seen enough Archie Moore to comment

    At elite level Hopkins beat Beibut Shumenov, Jean Pascal, Tavoris Cloud, Karo Murat, Joe Calzaghe (though he didn't get the nod I do believe he was up by a couple of points), Roy Jones jnr, Kelly Pavlik, Antonio Tarver, Ronald Wright, Oscar De La Hoya...need I list anymore?
     
  6. TBooze

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    Yes; Moore beat Valdez, Olson, Pompey, Cotton, Besmanoff (twice), Durelle (twice) and Rademacher

    Maybe beat (depending on when he was born): Johnson (twice), Maxim (thrice) and Valdez.

    That does not look like a 'country mile' to me...
     
  7. Bummy Davis

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    good list and Hookies add on were good as well
     
  8. Bummy Davis

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    you thought he beat Calzage...I disagree in fact Hopkins attempt to fake a foul was evident that he was looking for rest against JC....Calzage won that fight clearly
     
  9. Bokaj

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    If we're talking best, not greatest, it looks really good for Floyd. Who else was the consensus nr 1 p4p at 38?
     
  10. trail3

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    No he didn't, the judges gave him the nod because of his punch output, not all of those punches landed...which is telling...
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    Bernard Hopkins was like 14-5-1 with a no contest and 2 KOs after his 38th birthday.

    Archie Moore fought like 40 times, had 4 losses, and had twice as many KOs as Hopkins has wins after 38, most against heavyweights.

    Moore by a landslide.
     
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    The only fight Walcott had at 38 years of age was his last and final bout with Rocky which ended in one round.. Probably shouldn't be on that list.
     
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    Yes you do need to .Suze is right Hopkins has no wins on there to rival Moore's win over Johnson.
     
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    Excellent point!:good
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    Well, Ring Magazine didn't make pound-for-pound ratings in 1956.

    But I'm going to go out on a limb and say when Rocky Marciano retired, Archie Moore, at the age of 40, was the number-one pound-for-pound fighter.

    In the eight recognized divisions, Moore was the light heavyweight champion of the world and the number-one heavyweight contender in the world.

    Ray Robinson had recently regained the middleweight title against Bobo Olson. But Moore had knocked out Olson in a light heavy fight when Bobo was middleweight champ (prior to Robinson regaining the title).

    And there were no other champs below them who had any claim to the best pound-for-pound. (Saddler was losing a lot of non-title fights.)

    So I'll say Archie Moore, after Marciano retired, was the #1 Pound-for-Pound fighter (at the age of 40) for about a year until he lost to Patterson.

    He also fought about 40 times after the age of 38. Floyd has fought once.