Marciano was 5'10.5" I don't know why his fans try to sneak another .5" on his height just as they do on the best biggest opponent he met, Joe Louis who ws 6'1.5".
His results against his better opposition contradict this. He couldn't leap tall buildings with a single bound either.
What a smaller hwt cannot do is hit as hard as a bigger heavyweight if their abilities are equal in this respect. Simply put a great smaller man is better than a rubbish big man but if the bigger man is not only of the same ability but significantly more skilled in every aspect then it is: GOODNIGHT NURSE FOR THE MIDGET!
no, Tua was 5'10 compared to Marciano??? Are you deranged?? no he did not. This was one fight only, never showed work rate like it again. Your basing this on one fight he lost! Two prospects at the early stages, comparable perhaps with Marciano vs Vingo. . this natural 220 guy was 19 pounds lighter than his "natural 220" on his debut. There was perhaps 10lb between Rocky debut and Davids debut. One guy trained in the 1950s and one guy did not. Interestingly Orlin Norris with the exact height and reach as David Tua had his debut heavier at the same age as Tua. Norris proved to have a simular weight throughout his time as a heavyweight as Tua. Point is he decided to drop into cruiserweight just like that when it suited him. Tyson had more speed and weight. The speed he always would have had over Rocky but in the same era I doubt the weight difference could have been so extreme and I use Orlin Norris again as an example. Modern training is responsible for extra weight on all heavyweights. The logic you should concern yourself with is the significance of David Tuas career. He was not a great fighter. Never could have been in ny era. Just a contender with interesting attributes.
Huh? In whatever case that 2 fighters in the same division where one guy is "siignificantly more skilled in every aspect" it is likely to be "bedtime" for the other guy, larger or smaller. Generally size cofers several well known advantages=power, reach, chin... But at the highest weight it is diminsihing returns. And some of the very top fighters who are small by modern standards can hit around & sometimes harder than the giants. At maybe 6' max. & ~ 210 did ANYONE hit as hard as Earnie Shavers? Not skills but pure force generated. I would say Marciano hit a 9 out of 10 in pure power, about what Tyson did,though much smaller. Height & leverage when fairly lean sometimes generates elite power. Though more often with added muscle. Sometimes a good amount of fat. But also many fighters clearly under 6' have hit with near top power. Galento. Tua. Butterbean. They hit extremely hard. Guys like Frazier & Cooper were a level below (just considering power). Others who curremy;y elude my memory. See my last post here: in many sports the greatest or near greatest power can be generated by some men of ordinary height & non-steoidal builds.
Marciano turned pro at 23 he scaled 192lbs within18 months he was 178lbs.Tua turned pro at 20 he scaled 201lbs with 18 months he was 220lbs. His thigh was nearly as wide as Narciano's body! Apart from their height, there is absolutely no comparison between Tua and Marciano in physique. Tua's chest is 49" Marciano's was 39" That has nothing to do with training it is genetic. You are becoming ridiculous.
Not if he takes the slightest notice of your drivel, but then again you are daft enough to believe that sh it in the bible about David and Goliath, aren't you?
What the hell are you talking about? You are actually trying to tell people that can look and plainly see that Tua was a far bigger, and powerfully built man than Marciano that there is something wrong with their eyes. Or claiming preposterous nonsense about him having gained the weight he did after the age of 20 was solely down to training. Both statements are foolish tripe. Or thirdly, and even more ridiculous comes your perverted logic, that if a black american guy bulked up to Heavy from Cruiser and back again by choice, a Samoan guy must have done, or been able to do the same. You want to forget sports and do some biology research.
that's what 1950s training did That's what modern training did. I am prepared to accept Rocky was somewhat smaller but this is a maximum measurement when Tua was ludicrously fat. By then he was overdeveloped,miss-proportioned fat guy with a BMI through the roof. At that size I bet Tua could not see where was aiming in the men's room. I'm sure at one time Tuas own body would have matched the later girth of his maximum sized thigh measurement too, not just Rocky. there is one inch different in reach. Rocky was a touch taller. These are the two main measurements relevant to boxing. height and reach. Nobody won a fight with the exclusive use of large large chest measurement. I would be interested in the relevance of a chest measurement compared to skill and class. Oh come on mcvey? Can you still get in the same suit jacket you got married in? Chest size goes up with weight. Do you think Tua had a 49" chest when he was 200lb? If you said wrist or ankle you could have been on to something. Most measurements correspond to excess weight.
My chest when I got married was 42", or 3 inches bigger than Marciano's, its now 43.5" but I am nearly 67 and 20lbs heavier. Bottom line Tua is naturally a much bigger man than Marciano there is no getting around this with obfuscation.
Whether Tua was bigger than Marciano is completely irrelevant however. Tua was no where close to a great fighter.......ever.
yes he was a more stocky guy than Marciano. I accept that. But Tua at 254lbs was not natural. That's what? A 54lb weight fluctuation of prime athlete. A lot more of the weight difference between those two is down to training practice if the Times they fought in. All the 1950s guys would weigh more now and all the guys from now sent back to those times would lose weight. No, Tua if he never boxed most likely would have always been a strong fat guy. Same with Rocky. They both took up boxing when the methods, practice and circumstances were a lot different to the seperate Times that they lived. Weight and strength was taken more seriously in the time that Tua fought. Having the right kind of excess mass became a real factor in his day. Tua did not train to develop into that size he just was not burning down towards a lower optimum weight set under earlier traditional methods relevent to the time, style of fighting that was prolific to Marcianos day. I am not saying one way was right or one way was wrong. no. I am saying a heavyweight with identical height weight and reach as David Tua was able to comfortably achieve this. This guy (Orlin Norris) did not "bulk up to become a heavyweight". He was every bit as much as real a heavyweight as David Tua. for four years his weight mirrored as identically as possible with Tua at the same age within that weight class. Because they featured in roughly the same era they both set out at the same size. I'm not suggesting Tua could drop down to cruiserweight. I'm saying a guy exactly his shape, size and weight did. No I think you need to stop comparing boxing to other sports where an athletes prowess can be measured and timed. Combat is different. A punch on the jaw is still a punch on the jaw. John L Sulivan would still knock us both out all these years later.