Lennox Lewis v Rocky Marciano

It may not apply to ALL of them but it is a true fact. Marciano was heavier than his fighting weight but he wasn't fat af. Just look at his super fight with Ali. He was still a little muscular in his 40's after 10+ years of retirement. He would have been a beast at higher weight with today's training methods.

 

I don't get how your on here. Your name is racially offensive surely? What's the idea behind that?

 

within a year Norris was 214lb. That's what 6lb off 220! You get over 200lb and 6lb is the difference between morning and night. hardly four years work to add any more is it?

never? And yet at a simular age in August 1995 Tua decided to drop from 220 to 210 for a fight within four weeks. It took Norris ten weeks to drop 23lb.

and weight. Norris fought as heavy as 246lb remember.

well no two body's look the same but I suspect both guys would have been a lot lighter under traditional training methods.

you say that but they both set out at the same weight. I recon it was quite a lot of work to take that off. After 1985 there was a lot of artificial weight on heavyweights.

in truth my comparison bothers you.

 

Well my family is of Southern Italian descent so I can use any ethnic slur about my heritage that I want. Over the years anyway it isn't offensive anymore it's more of a joke. Most fellow Italian Americans today have lost their roots so even if they did take offense their argument would be invalid.

 

in four years Norris was 227 and Tua was 229. Still two pounds within each other.

it took Tua Four year to get near 227. FACT. It took Four years Two months for Norris to reach 227. FACT.

but why did Tua drop 10lb within four weeks if he was already as low as he could go last time he fought? How come at 220 he has any excess?:think

and he was every bit as irresponsible as Tua had been all the times he paraded the man b00bs and rolls of fat each time he turned up that size.

196 is what most heavyweights used to scale under different training. Maybe Norris used old school training to get back down?

Tua did not want to fight at cruiserweight. but at 220 Tua took 10lb off without trying within four weeks when he supposedly had no excess fat to shift.

The nature of training has changed. What's artificial weight and what is real weight at heavyweight? Some guys are destined to be fat. It's still excess. Heavyweights have no limit. some can train to "hold onto" some of the excess they are destined to carry. Some don't. It's about the right kind of excess but it is still excess. It's almost tactical.

fruit of the same size and weight.

 

How many heavyweights have accomplished this? Holmes didn't, Frazier was arguably past prime when Foreman and Ali got him, Tyson never did it. Holyfield has the Qawi and Bowe wins which are also debatable w/r/t ATG or prime status.

Lewis and Wladimir both faced weak competition really. The best opponent of Lewis' reign was an old holyfield and Lewis struggled with him in the rematch. Marciano struggled with an old Walcott and Ezzard Charles which is about the same ballpark.

It would have been nice for his legacy if Lewis had trained for what became the Vitali fight and gotten a clean win without the very fortunate cut. Of course he had the opportunity to settle the issue with a rematch and fled into retirement instead.

 

By what standard were Cunningham and Chisora not top 10 contenders?

 

Cunningham is ranked in the top 10 of TBRB right now.

What is the "top 10" that they weren't in when Fury fought them? Boxrec? Ring mag?

 

Razor Ruddock, an old Holyfield, David Tua, Vitali. It's an ok level but it doesn't exactly blow Walcott/Charles/Moore out of the water...

 

I bet you Marciano would disagree with you if he'd had to fight Ruddock, Tua, Holyfield, and (especially) Vitali...

 

And for frame of reference, 34-yo Tyson ballooned up to well over 250 (he claims 280) when he did a few months in jail before the Orlin Norris fight. The difference between small natural heavyweights and natural cruiserweights/light-heavies like Marciano couldn't be more obvious.