Lennox Lewis v Rocky Marciano

So Marciano is just a blown up cruiser now? atsch There's no reasoning with this sort of logic, guys.

I don't deny that Lewis should probably, rightly be favoured over Marciano, due to his size if nothing else, but to posit that an unbeaten HW champion is automatically toast against Lennox is just ... sad. :verysad Particularly when said fighter has looked less than inspiring on several occasions.

 

So what you're actually saying is that Billups is better than Marciano. C'm on ...

 

You obviously know less than nothing about Lewis, because if you did you would realise that he would have " loved " to have a puny little 185 guy with stumpy arms, the skill of a gnat, who is more likely to trip over himself than a ring card girl, in the other corner in EVERY fight he had, never mind some of them.

For the record Mavrovic was never knocked over in his career, and winning by 10, 6, and 5 points respectively is NOT struggling with a guy.

Struggling with a guy is when you proclaim yourself the baddest man on the planet in your prime aged 23, then getting beaten up and humiliated for 10 rounds until the guys finally gets bored and decides to knock you the F out.

 

Try again.:roll::roll:

What I'm actually saying is the McCrory fight shows how Lewis dealt with Cruiserweight's ( whether they chose to blow themselves up to Heavyweight or not ) it shouldn't be that hard for you to understand, if you know anything about the sport.

Similarly a far better former Cruiser than McCrory, never looked like beating Lewis even with the help of a fellow Murican, the judge who tried her best to cheat Lewis from victory.

Now lets get to the point here. Marciano was nothing like as good as Holyfield EVER, and he did in fact carry an extra 30lbs to Marciano very well. This might have a lot to do with the fact that he was 4 inches taller with 11 inches more on the wingspan, but I suspect it was far more to do with the fact that Holyfield was far superior to Marciano in EVERY department.

 

Why can't people get it through their heads that size does matter when the bigger guy has more skill?

Lewis had moments where he didn't take his opponent seriously. He has two loses on his record due to that. But if he took Rocky seriously, he would dominate him from the moment the fight started.

Rocky could not take his power. He just couldn't.

 

He was better ......and "natural"!!!

 

I think it takes a lot of skill to land a punch with a 68" reach against ANY fighter. What is your definition of skill?

Lewis had what the layman would consider traditional skills since he was physically long enough to make a show of it in an obvious way. That's proberbly how you understand it and reached that decision.

But shorter guys who only have raw strength to utilize still have to make an opening. Especially against good fighters. Subtle fients to draw counters. Knowing where to stand. How to break Rhythm. How to get a guy to think he needs to move to where you want him. It looks different. They might be clumsy looking doing it but if it works against good fighters, that's skill.

 

Next you will be claiming Ricky Hatton was a master boxer. LMAO

His reach was the same as Marciano's, and funnily enough he used to get hit a lot trying to land his also.

Must be a specialist tactic, eh?atsch

I suggest you go and look at the PAST PRIME Duran blocking, slipping, parrying, and riding with the punches that are coming at him from the 6" taller, and 8" longer in reach Barkley, THEN come back and talk about how skillful Marciano was.

I don't want to confuse you by asking you to watch how a prime Roberto did the same things a whole lot better.

 

What does this even mean - "less capable"? It's just a meaningless phrase. Mercer had a much longer reach than Marciano and was taller than him as well. Mercer has a much easier time reaching and hitting a guy like Lewis than does Marciano. You can't get around that.

Marciano will have to walk through bombs just to get close to Lewis. And even if he gets close, he will find out that Lewis has an inside game. Lewis can also simply push Marciano away from him, stick his arm out in Marciano's face and chest and control him that way. It may be technically "illegal" but it's done all the time by crafty fighters who know what they're doing. Marciano has no chance in hell. He won't get close enough to Lewis without taking monstrous shots - and even if he does, he won't be able to get anything going.

 

Marciano would not have a decent chance against a focused top of te line SHW like Lewis.

It also betrays enormous bias to say Marciano had the skills of a gnat.
"The fastest thing on wheels" said Marciano was hard to hit cleanly, & that was near 15 years after he retired. Marciano did slip, feint, roll with punches. And as a shorter power puncher had to eat some shots to land them.

I dislike when folks on ANY side of an issue are inaccurate due to bias. And are either casual with the truth, at best careles, or exaggerate or lie to overstate a case.

Holyfield's wingspan was 9" more than Marciano's, not 11".
He was 30 lbs. more due to being teller & a workout fanatic/weightlifter who ALSO used PEDs. Marciano trained down from his natural weight.
Still Marciano had bigger & stronger legs than Holyfield.

 

Who was Rocky hitting? People not much bigger than him. Lennox is much, much bigger. With a great jab and tons of power. That is kryptonite for someone like Rocky.

He was nowhere near skilled enough to deal with a monster Like him.

 

I'm going to bow out of this one guys; it's been fun. All I can truthfully say is that I think folks are overrating Lewis and underrating Marciano. Suggesting that Rocky gets taken care of with contemtuous ease or will be unable to get near Lewis belie the actual fights that I have seen where lesser fighters - yes, Marciano > Billups and frankly anybody suggesting otherwise needs to get a grip - have been able to get near Lewis, land shots, and survive his power.

Should Lewis be favoured over Marciano? Probably, yes.

Would he dispose of him with ease?

Hell no.

In fact, I would say that if he's not on top of his game, he could well lose.

With that, adieu.

 

For **** sake, just go and watch Lewis Tua

Yes Tua, the guy who said he based his style on Marciano.

Foreman Frazier 1, is another great fight to watch